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The canadian constitution should not be applied to everybody in the world but shlould be applied to people who are dealing with Canadian government in legal processes created by their own government (Immigration). I repeat applicants to Newzealand did the same in 2003 as we do now and they were successful. Just search the web.Stupidity and wasting time is that someone posts comments on a forum not related to him.
 
tuyen said:
The reason Canada never needed that kind of a specification is because I can guarantee that never in a million years did the writers of the constitution ever think that one day in the future, somebody would be so retarded as to think that Canada's constitution would be challenged in court on the basis that it should be applied to everyone on the planet. They never thought that such stupidity would ever come about, but obviously they were mistaken.

And I agree - it definitely should be amended to prevent these kinds of time-wasting, money-wasting, court-abusing lawsuits in the future.

Are you agreeing that Canadian politicians lack fore-sightedness? ::)
 
plaran said:
The canadian constitution should not be applied to everybody in the world but shlould be applied to people who are dealing with Canadian government in legal processed created by their own government (Immigration). I repeat applicants to Newzealand did the same in 2003 as we do now and they were successful. Just search the web.Stupidity and wasting time is that someone posts comments on a forum not related to him.

I think we should consider the fact that few FSW litignat are already in Canada. Should it still not applicable ?
 
wounderful said:
I think we should consider the fact that few FSW litignat are already in Canada. Should it still not applicable ?

Excellent. That's correct some of affected applicants already reside in Canada and they are discriminated by the law. Nothing is final but I think the chance of victory in the lawsuit is more than losing (not 100%) as the judge will decide whether section 87.4 is legal or not.
 
noon said:
Are you agreeing that Canadian politicians lack fore-sightedness? ::)

No...not at all. What I was saying is that it's completely impossible to predict human stupidity of the future.

Back when Canada's constitution was written, they probably assumed that logic and common sense would rule human nature more often than not, and so they never envisioned a day when somebody would go into court with a straight face and say that people from all over the world should fall under Canada's constitution just because they initiated an immigration procedure.
 
wounderful said:
I think we should consider the fact that few FSW litignat are already in Canada. Should it still not applicable ?

That's a very different matter and, yes, for most things, a person inside Canada is protected by the Canadian constitution.
 
tuyen said:
That's a very different matter and, yes, for most things, a person inside Canada is protected by the Canadian constitution.

BINGO!!!!!! :P :P :P :P :P
 
Looking the matter even pessimistic that people outside Canada are not entitled to be protected by constitution ,proving that the law descriminated even one person inside Canada is sufficient to announce the 87.4 is illegal and all the cases will be reopen.
 
Pls see an e-mail received from Mr. Tim Regarding his suspension and our case, Whatever it may be the spirit of this man should be appriciated. Some unwanted friends says that Tim is only to earn money, but it is common sense that the suspension of him could have been used as a matter to go away from this law suit, but still he is fighting.


"Yes, it is true. The suspension ends March 31st. In the meantime, I have brought other lawyers onto the scene to protect the litigants' interest. As matters currently stand, Justice Barnes has mothballed our litigation until after Justice Rennie issues his ruling. I wrote to the Chief Justice, objecting to this latest incident of his stalling our litigation and to his abusive conduct to date. Those submissions (and DoJ's reply) were put before the Chief Justice after January 31st. If the CJ does nothing, nothing will happen in our case until after Justice Rennie issues his ruling, which is unlikely to come out until mid-March at the earliest, and my suspension ends March 31st. So, the suspension really should not impact on our litigation.


Regards,


Tim"


I salute you. Mr. Tim, for your dedication and the fighting spirit
 
tuyen said:
That's a very different matter and, yes, for most things, a person inside Canada is protected by the Canadian constitution.

Not only who inside Canada can get justice by Canadian Law. Everyone that agree to use Canadian law will be judge by the Canadian law.

For example, I do business with Canadian Citizen then we have conflict. When we agree to bring the case to Canadian Court, the Canadian Law will be applied to the case, not my country law, even though I am not inside Canada.
 
Shajitmathew said:
Pls see an e-mail received from Mr. Tim Regarding his suspension and our case, Whatever it may be the spirit of this man should be appriciated. Some unwanted friends says that Tim is only to earn money, but it is common sense that the suspension of him could have been used as a matter to go away from this law suit, but still he is fighting.


"Yes, it is true. The suspension ends March 31st. In the meantime, I have brought other lawyers onto the scene to protect the litigants' interest. As matters currently stand, Justice Barnes has mothballed our litigation until after Justice Rennie issues his ruling. I wrote to the Chief Justice, objecting to this latest incident of his stalling our litigation and to his abusive conduct to date. Those submissions (and DoJ's reply) were put before the Chief Justice after January 31st. If the CJ does nothing, nothing will happen in our case until after Justice Rennie issues his ruling, which is unlikely to come out until mid-March at the earliest, and my suspension ends March 31st. So, the suspension really should not impact on our litigation.


Regards,


Tim"


I salute you. Mr. Tim, for your dedication and the fighting spirit

You should see, actually Tim used your case to relief himself from the fine.
 
belitang said:
Not only who inside Canada can get justice by Canadian Law. Everyone that agree to use Canadian law will be judge by the Canadian law.

For example, I do business with Canadian Citizen then we have conflict. When we agree to bring the case to Canadian Court, the Canadian Law will be applied to the case, not my country law, even though I am not inside Canada.

Wonderful and brilliant.
 
tuyen said:
No...not at all. What I was saying is that it's completely impossible to predict human stupidity of the future.

Back when Canada's constitution was written, they probably assumed that logic and common sense would rule human nature more often than not, and so they never envisioned a day when somebody would go into court with a straight face and say that people from all over the world should fall under Canada's constitution just because they initiated an immigration procedure.

assumed..................... this is the stupidest word that even defies logic and common sense. It can get people into a lot of trouble. Common sense that we have been cheated weighs more than common sense to asume that a day would never come where foriegners would take CIC to court.
 
plaran said:
Looking the matter even pessimistic that people outside Canada are not entitled to be protected by constitution ,proving that the law descriminated even one person inside Canada is sufficient to announce the 87.4 is illegal and all the cases will be reopen.

All the better this proves that this law discriminates against people applying for immigration to Canada. Thats what the lawyers are fighting for right ?