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Extension of PR on H&C grounds

Atif.Javed

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Can somebody guide me if I will be able to get extension of my PR status under the following condition:

I left Canada after living for 7 months in 2014 due to my mother's illness.

My mother stayed ill until she had some serious surgery last year. now she is stable and I am planning to move back to Canada again.

My PR card is still valid and will expire next year in September... I won't be able to meet the RO by then.

Will they allow me to enter Canada?
Will I be able to get extension next year if I move back to Canada in a month?

Please guide me
 

Buletruck

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There are no extensions for PR cards. However, your PR status needs no extension. You remain a PR until you renounce or it is revoked by the government. Best suggestion is to return as soon as possible before your PR card expires and hope you don’t get reported on entry. If you are reported, you may or may not be able to retain your PR status based on H&C grounds. It’s difficult to say.
If you manage to enter without being reported, do not renew your PR card until you meet the residency obligation.
 

Atif.Javed

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Thank you for your reply..

One thing more, Can I sponsor my spouse before the renewal of my PR card ?
 

Buletruck

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You can only sponsor your spouse if you meet residency obligation. If you apply to sponsor them without meeting RO, you will be submitting yourself to a residency review and in all likelihood, have the application rejected and your own pr revoked.
The PR card validity has nothing to do with your ability to sponsor ( or even your status). It’s just a travel document.
 

Atif.Javed

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You are right .
Would they consider my previous stay of 7 months to let me meet my RO ? In this way, I will be staying for one and a half year more to complete my two years..
What is your opinion about it ?
 

Buletruck

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The 7 months will be counted towards your RO. When did you land in Canada with your COPR? If you have 7 months in Canada, and you 1 1/2 years until the 5th anniversary of your initial landing, you should meet RO for the first 5 years (and be able to sponsor your spouse). The 2 year RO does not have to be continuous, just 2 years in 5.
 

Atif.Javed

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I landed in Canada in April 2014 , spent 195 days there and came back to my country. My PR card will expire in September 2019. If I live beyond this time to complete my 730 days, will they count my days from April 2014 ?
 

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I landed in Canada in April 2014 , spent 195 days there and came back to my country. My PR card will expire in September 2019. If I live beyond this time to complete my 730 days, will they count my days from April 2014 ?
Short answer is no. Only days within the last five years are counted. So the days from April 2014 will end up dropping off because of how long you've been outside of Canada.
 

Atif.Javed

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What if I get reported that my expiry time is September 2019 and I do not meet RO. I fight my case on H&C grounds. Will I be able to get renewal next year next year to start the span of 5 years again ??

fingers crossed ? :)
 

bricksonly

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What if I get reported that my expiry time is September 2019 and I do not meet RO. I fight my case on H&C grounds. Will I be able to get renewal next year next year to start the span of 5 years again ??

fingers crossed ? :)
No report then submit app after you meet RO. Reported, you could try H&C which always a pain
 

Buletruck

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The 5 years doesn’t start again. After the first 5 years, it becomes a rolling 5 years, meaning any time you enter Canada you need to meet the RO from the date you enter going back 5 years before the entry date. So starting in April next year, those days you have accumulated in 2014 start dropping off and no longer count towards RO.
 

Atif.Javed

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Is hiring a lawyer a good idea at this stage ? I mean he can fight the case on H&C grounds. and I may get the renewal next year.
 

Buletruck

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Until you are actually reported, there is no need for a lawyer. You can’t renew unless you are in Canada. Do you have the documented medical information for your mother’s illness for the entire 3.5 years?
 

dpenabill

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Can somebody guide me if I will be able to get extension of my PR status under the following condition:

I left Canada after living for 7 months in 2014 due to my mother's illness.

My mother stayed ill until she had some serious surgery last year. now she is stable and I am planning to move back to Canada again.

My PR card is still valid and will expire next year in September... I won't be able to meet the RO by then.

Will they allow me to enter Canada?
Will I be able to get extension next year if I move back to Canada in a month?

Please guide me
Excellent responses have been provided by @Buletruck and @scylla and I concur with those.

Some clarification and emphasis is warranted.

When you travel to Canada, be prepared to make the H&C case upon arrival at the PoE JUST in CASE there is a PR RO examination. It is almost always easier to persuade the border officers to allow you to keep status than it is to win the appeal (except many PRs are not adequately prepared for the PoE examination, and thus first get the chance to make a persuasive case in the appeal, having in effect blown their first and best chance).

As @bricksonly alluded, if you have been absent from Canada for 1095 or more days the math is simple, no calculating necessary. Risk of PR RO compliance questions is fairly high even if you arrive more than a year before current PR card expires (as others have said, the validity date of the PR card is NOT relevant in calculating compliance with the PR RO, BUT it can influence whether PoE officers discern cause to ask questions regarding RO compliance).

Is hiring a lawyer a good idea at this stage ? I mean he can fight the case on H&C grounds. and I may get the renewal next year.
A consultation with a lawyer could help you gather and organize the information and documentation which will help make your H&C case. But of course the lawyer is not going to be present or representing you upon your arrival at a PoE. And, indeed, as I understand it, travelers will not ordinarily be given access to their lawyer during a PoE examination.

Do NOT confuse immigration consultants and lawyers. Never rely on consultants who are NOT officially authorized consultants in Canada.

If you are reported and issued a Departure Order at the PoE (you still get to enter Canada), you need to appeal and while many do not obtain the assistance of a lawyer for this, it is prudent to do so. H&C cases are almost always tricky.

Whether you get in without being reported, or you are reported and appeal, your best chances to keep PR status will compel you to STAY put in Canada for most if not entirely the next two years . . . and while a lawyer can be a big help in the appeal itself, there is little or nothing a lawyer can do to change the need to stay put in Canada or to accelerate when it will be OK to make a sponsorship application for your spouse. You probably face some difficult questions ahead.

Technically if you are examined and reported for a PR RO breach at the border, but the Minister's delegate (in practice just another border officer) decides to NOT issue a Removal or Departure Order based EXPLICITLY on H&C grounds, you would be more free to come and go (briefly, not for extended periods of time) without first staying two years, and could make the sponsorship application right away. Odds are not good this is how it will go. If your H&C reasons are persuasive at the PoE it is more likely the examining officer, in consultation with others at the PoE, will simply waive you into Canada without reporting you; if you are reported, odds are high the Minister's delegate (again, in practice just another officer there, or perhaps one you talk to over the telephone while you are still in the PoE) will issue the Removal or Departure Order and you will need to appeal.

If you believe there was a favourable and more or less official decision based on H&C reasons, you could consult with a lawyer to discuss whether or not to make the sponsorship application sooner rather than waiting two years. This could, however, be tricky and, potentially, risky.



Further Note:

There is no way to determine or dictate how it will go at the PoE until you actually travel to Canada and are there, in person, at the PoE . . . without your lawyer even if you have a lawyer.

The only way a PR abroad can come close to a before-hand determination is by applying for a PR Travel Document. Which you do not want to do if you can avoid it (visa offices tend to be the most strict in PR RO examinations) and which you are not eligible for so long as you still have your valid PR card.

The key point here is that at this juncture, having already breached the PR RO, you are forced to gamble some . . . to make the trip to Canada planning on staying in Canada for two years, without knowing whether you will in fact be able to keep your PR status and eventually bring your family to Canada.
 
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