Employer will NOT provide Experience Letter

[adipadi]

Hi All,

Sadly I am in the unfortunate situation wherein my employer refuses to provide me with the required experience letter for a PR application, which is a critical document for a CEC application. Please provide your expert opinion on how risky the below approach can get.

I can ask them for the letter citing a different purpose (insurance, education, visa, etc..), but the specific purpose will appear on the letter when its issued. If I submit the letter as is to CIC, is that allowed? If yes, how much is the probability that CIC may contact my employer for whatever reason (can't think of one)? I ask this because in such a case, my employer is then bound to take strict action against me, for misusing the letter.

Thanks.
adipadi

 

[LPS]

The letter does not need to state that it's "for" any particular purpose, or be addressed to anyone in particular. It just needs to attest to your work experience including all the information in the checklist, and could be addressed "To whom it may concern"

 

[mady_1982]

write an explaination letter about this non coperation from your employer , attach it along with ur CEC package , submit all other proofs like Pasyslips , any prveious letters , NOA, workeprmit copies both original and the extended , get a letter from your reporting client if possible with duties , hours , and role , it should help

all the best

 

[adipadi]

Thanks LPS. Sadly my employer is very meticulous about this and will not give an experience letter without mentioning the specific purpose on the letter itself. So the letter may contains all the required details, but will also say that "this letter is supposed to be used for XYZ purposes only" (XYZ could be for getting auto insurance, credit card, etc,). That way the employer ensures that I wont be able to use the letter for the PR process. I am concerned if a letter addressed to someone else, is sent to CIC, then how they may take it. On top of that, if they contact the employer for any reason and employer comes to know how I used the letter, I may be in big trouble. What I truly dont know is whether I am overthinking this, or not.


Thanks mady_1892. I will keep this in mind when applying. Would you know if the ROE (record of employment) document can come in handy in absence of the actual experience letter?

 

[Navpreet Parmar]

Use any PDF editor and change as u want

 

[lithium002]

Thanks LPS. Sadly my employer is very meticulous about this and will not give an experience letter without mentioning the specific purpose on the letter itself. So the letter may contains all the required details, but will also say that "this letter is supposed to be used for XYZ purposes only" (XYZ could be for getting auto insurance, credit card, etc,). That way the employer ensures that I wont be able to use the letter for the PR process. I am concerned if a letter addressed to someone else, is sent to CIC, then how they may take it. On top of that, if they contact the employer for any reason and employer comes to know how I used the letter, I may be in big trouble. What I truly dont know is whether I am overthinking this, or not.


Thanks mady_1892. I will keep this in mind when applying. Would you know if the ROE (record of employment) document can come in handy in absence of the actual experience letter?

Why would an employer not want to issue you a letter for this purpose? What kind of a shady employer is this? :S

When you applied for the job, did it have duties listed in the advertisement? Does your job offer list duties? I would use both as evidence, along with paystubs, NOA, and anything else you can gather to show proof of your employment.

 

[LPS]

Use any PDF editor and change as u want

Haha. But seriously, don't even think of sending forged documents to CIC.

If I were you, I'd keep pestering the employer until they gave me what I asked. It could be that HR simply doesn't have time to write letters, in which case you could offer to draft the letter and submit it to them for approval, and they can just print it on their letterhead and sign it.

Perhaps they feel that an immigration-related letter will create certain obligations on them in the future, which they want to avoid.

If your employer is truly obstinate and doesn't want to support your immigration plans, despite it being of no cost to them, and they won't give an adequate explanation why not, then I suppose you can't force them to. There's other documentation you could provide instead, but it will be complicated.

 

[kushari]

Haha. But seriously, don't even think of sending forged documents to CIC.

If I were you, I'd keep pestering the employer until they gave me what I asked. It could be that HR simply doesn't have time to write letters, in which case you could offer to draft the letter and submit it to them for approval, and they can just print it on their letterhead and sign it.

Perhaps they feel that an immigration-related letter will create certain obligations on them in the future, which they want to avoid.

If your employer is truly obstinate and doesn't want to support your immigration plans, despite it being of no cost to them, and they won't give an adequate explanation why not, then I suppose you can't force them to. There's other documentation you could provide instead, but it will be complicated.

LPS is right on the money here. Mosy HR departments think it will become an issue where they have to invest their time and efforts and don't want any burden. At my former company they hired someone that was on a work permit and it expired, they had to keep her position until she finished getting a new work permit which was money down the drain for them. That's what HR departments look for. Also just like LPS said, they sometimes don't want to waste their time typing a letter. I had someone that I interviewed for agree to sign a letter to prove I intend to remain out of Quebec and print it on their letterhead, and just had me draft it.

 

[lcsxwtian]

I truly wonder what kind of employer that is. They sure are not obligated to help you with PR application, but by no means should hinder the process. I would consider changing employer just for this matter.

 

[lalithaditya215]

I don't think if its a problem if they mention that for insurance or some thing...as long as your duties are mentioned over there. Its better you can say applying for higher education and get letter.

While sending the letter to CIC explain your problem and attach the letter given(to who so ever...) to you.

If CIC calls then your company knows, i agree.... even if you don't give letter and attach all other documents like joining letter & other things which has company phone number , still CIC can call ( i am not sure but i think they still can call, if phone no is there on the documents)....

CIC call shouldn't give you any problems unless there is a real problem with company....anyway by that time(almost after 6-8 months) god knows what happens....

 

[dbss]

I would go and talk to somebody in the HR. Tell them that you are not looking for an immigration letter, you are looking for an EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION Letter which states that you have worked at the company for so long time at such and such rate etc. You will need to address their concerns before they can give you the letter. Everybody wants to save their ass unless your employer just does not listen.

Duties you can even get signed from your manager.

If they ask the purpose tell them it is for work verification purpose. They kind of know you are looking for an immigration letter but this is what you can tell them.

This is how the letter may look like:

Date:

RE: Verification of employment for John Doe

To whom it may concern:

Please accept this letter as confirmation that Mr. John Doe was employed with XYZ from [] - []. During both the

periods Mr. John Doe:

• held the title of GEF

• earned a salary of $$/hour full time payable bi-weekly

• worked on a fulltime basis of 35 hours per week full time

Responsibilities included:

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If you have any questions or require further information, please don't hesitate to contact me at

name, phone number and email.

Sincerely yours,

 

[LPS]

If the letter contains language like "only valid for a loan application", but otherwise attests to your employment, includes all the required details, and is signed, then surely this still counts? Facts are facts; it doesn't matter that they're not "for" someone.

In any case, the answer to "Might CIC contact my employer for some reason?" is yes, they might.

 

[dbss]

If the letter contains language like "only valid for a loan application", but otherwise attests to your employment, includes all the required details, and is signed, then surely this still counts? Facts are facts; it doesn't matter that they're not "for" someone.

In any case, the answer to "Might CIC contact my employer for some reason?" is yes, they might.

another thing i may add is that your employer cannot lie to the CIC that you don't work there...or about your duties...if the employer lies about anything to CIC if they call, it will be a criminal offence.

 

[adipadi]

I truly wonder what kind of employer that is. They sure are not obligated to help you with PR application, but by no means should hinder the process. I would consider changing employer just for this matter.

Its a pretty big Indian company..big enough to get away with such shady norms that they have...for them, this is not the first...

 

[adipadi]

Folks,

I am very pleased by all the encouraging responses. Based on these responses, I am leaning towards obtaining a letter from the employer for some other reason and then submitting it to CIC. If I state the actual reason to HR, they will flatly refuse. As for CIC calling the employer, it is a risk for me... I will ponder no this matter a bit and think of all possible outcomes, before jumping in the water.

A big thanks to all of you for your thoughts and suggestions.

Warm Regards,
adipadi