Effective date of Bill C24

[CanadianCountry]

@Raman_Ram:
If there is a contradiction between the written law and the minister's statement, which one will hold up in the court of law?

We are reading too much into the legal wordings. The minister has clearly stated "on video" that "if granted" wording is to prevent applications on the way to the Airport. There is a big reason why there have been inordinate delays in the last because people beleived they can miss test, citizenship hearing schedule and even oath "a few times" as they are entitled to citizenship upon completion of 3/4 rule. The minister clearly said that after getting citizenship the person can leave and do whatever he wants. This whole clause is just to "officialise" the already prevalent RQing of doubtful applications for more than 3 years just so that those guys will lose their PR and therefore lose their entitlement to citizenship.
It is simply unconstitutional to prohibit your freedom of movement under the charter of rights, after you become a citizen.
So yes, you can "technically " leave forever to another country.
I don't know why we go on this roundabout of fear psychosis. How can they revoke your citizenship if you don't have any other passport? UN doesn't allow anyone to become stateless.
And this clause too will affect only when you apply and there is a line in the form stating the same, which is a good 6 months from now. Relax guys.

 

[greeki78]

It is NOT retroactive.

It's applicable to everyone..the call center agent confirmed.

 

[CanadianCountry]

So do you mean people who are already citizens and NEVER signed a "intent to reside" document, would still be obligated to abide by this clause?

It's applicable to everyone..the call center agent confirmed.

 

[MUFC]

The call centre agents are good only when they have to read the notes made from the agent who is processing the application.

Sometimes I am wondering how in earth these people are getting hired like a call agent when the information from them is nothing in common with the reality...

By the way they are very good at misleading the applicants. Do they really know the law?

 

[greeki78]

This might be a stupid question.

Do you guys think that if someone had lived in Canada for 30-35 years and then upon retirement he left the country to go live permanently in another country, do you think they can or will take his citizenship away?

Thanks

30-35 years from now you will be old..all grey hair...A "naturalized canadian citizen" who worked hard by doing a full time job,paid all the taxes,obeyed all the laws.As you're nearing to retirement,the government decides to revoke your citizenship on the clause "Intend to reside" because you were away in another country for a while attending your grand daughter's wedding.
The govt decides to revoke your citizenship.As per Bill C-24,you have no right to appeal in federal court whatsoever.You have to pack your bags and leave.

Now another "canadian born citizen" who had been hiding in USA all through his life shows up.When he is about to retire he comes back to Canada to enjoy retirement benefits.The government of Canada welcomes him unquestioned.He sits in the comfort of his house and enjoys the hard earned tax money of others for the rest of his old age.Not only will he enjoy the benefits,but he will look down on you as "naturalized canadian citizen" and call you "second class citizens" as you leave with your bags...

This is just a story.. dont take it personal...But according to Bill C 24 it can change into reality...

 

[CanadianCountry]

Well put! +1.

30-35 years from now you will be old..all grey hair...A "naturalized canadian citizen" who worked hard by doing a full time job,paid all the taxes,obeyed all the laws.As you're nearing to retirement,the government decides to revoke your citizenship on the clause "Intend to reside" because you were away in another country for a while attending your grand daughter's wedding.
The govt decides to revoke your citizenship.As per Bill C-24,you have no right to appeal in federal court whatsoever.You have to pack your bags and leave.

Now another "canadian born citizen" who had been hiding in USA all through his life shows up.When he is about to retire he comes back to Canada to enjoy retirement benefits.The government of Canada welcomes him unquestioned.He sits in the comfort of his house and enjoys the hard earned tax money of others for the rest of his old age.Not only will he enjoy the benefits,but he will look down on you as "naturalized canadian citizen" and call you "second class citizens" as you leave with your bags...

This is just a story.. dont take it personal...But according to Bill C 24 it can change into reality...

 

[MUFC]

When the new Canadians apply for a Canadian job... they might also include the question in the application form...

"When did you became Canadian citizen, before or after 2015?"

 

[zardoz]

If we follow what is written in the law, it says that the applicant has to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship, so officially if we read the law...

This law look everyday more and more funny to me, because it will be complete fail.

This is NOT true and shows that you have no understanding of the legislation.

 

[zardoz]

This might be a stupid question.

Do you guys think that if someone had lived in Canada for 30-35 years and then upon retirement he left the country to go live permanently in another country, do you think they can or will take his citizenship away?

Thanks

Absolutely not.

 

[CanadianCountry]

In normal circumstances they will not revoke as you would have paid into the system.

But the law provides them with all the tools to revoke if they want.

So basically you are at the mercy of the gods above. By above I mean CIC.

Absolutely not.

 

[zardoz]

30-35 years from now you will be old..all grey hair...A "naturalized canadian citizen" who worked hard by doing a full time job,paid all the taxes,obeyed all the laws.As you're nearing to retirement,the government decides to revoke your citizenship on the clause "Intend to reside" because you were away in another country for a while attending your grand daughter's wedding.
The govt decides to revoke your citizenship.As per Bill C-24,you have no right to appeal in federal court whatsoever.You have to pack your bags and leave.

Now another "canadian born citizen" who had been hiding in USA all through his life shows up.When he is about to retire he comes back to Canada to enjoy retirement benefits.The government of Canada welcomes him unquestioned.He sits in the comfort of his house and enjoys the hard earned tax money of others for the rest of his old age.Not only will he enjoy the benefits,but he will look down on you as "naturalized canadian citizen" and call you "second class citizens" as you leave with your bags...

This is just a story.. dont take it personal...But according to Bill C 24 it can change into reality...

It is obvious that this thread has degenerated into a quagmire of misinformation and "FUD". I'm not going to waste any more time on it. Carry on enjoying feeding each other with ill founded conjecture... I'm outta here... Please feel free to -1 me. I don't care.

 

[greeki78]

It is obvious that this thread has degenerated into a quagmire of misinformation and "FUD". I'm not going to waste any more time on it. Carry on enjoying feeding each other with ill founded conjecture... I'm outta here... Please feel free to -1 me. I don't care.

Why do you think the CBA was against Bill C-24?Because they had nothing in their lives...This was one of the reasons...creating two categories of citizens...

 

[MUFC]

This is NOT true and shows that you have no understanding of the legislation.

Subparagraph 3(1)(c)(i) of the bill asks that the applicant be required to intend, if granted, to continue to reside in Canada.

What is the idea of this subparagraph than... just placed there for fun ?

 

[torontosm]

30-35 years from now you will be old..all grey hair...A "naturalized canadian citizen" who worked hard by doing a full time job,paid all the taxes,obeyed all the laws.As you're nearing to retirement,the government decides to revoke your citizenship on the clause "Intend to reside" because you were away in another country for a while attending your grand daughter's wedding.
The govt decides to revoke your citizenship.As per Bill C-24,you have no right to appeal in federal court whatsoever.You have to pack your bags and leave.

Now another "canadian born citizen" who had been hiding in USA all through his life shows up.When he is about to retire he comes back to Canada to enjoy retirement benefits.The government of Canada welcomes him unquestioned.He sits in the comfort of his house and enjoys the hard earned tax money of others for the rest of his old age.Not only will he enjoy the benefits,but he will look down on you as "naturalized canadian citizen" and call you "second class citizens" as you leave with your bags...

This is just a story.. dont take it personal...But according to Bill C 24 it can change into reality...

You obviously don't understand the wording of what C-24 says, and obviously haven't read the Minister's clear statement on the Intent to Reside clause. It ONLY applies for the period between when you apply for citizenship and when you receive it.

All of these other nonsensical posts are just for the sake of fear-mongering, and are rife with baseless entitlement. Grow up. If you are really that upset about this law (or rather, about how this law affects you), then you are free to speak to your representatives and voice your concerns. But bashing an entire country (and one that provided you with the opportunity that was obviously attractive enough to make you leave your home and relocate) seems pointless to me.

 

[screech339]

Subparagraph 3(1)(c)(i) of the bill asks that the applicant be required to intend, if granted, to continue to reside in Canada.

What is the idea of this subparagraph than... just placed there for fun ?

The British citizenship law has the same / similar writing in theirs and do you see them revoking british citizenship left right centre to british expats? I know a few British Americans/ British Canadians and they have not lost their citizenship over it.