EE for Nurses? Forum seniors, Asivad, please comment, thank you.

[T365]

Hello Everyone, Asivad, Forum Seniors,

Is anyone here aware of the best approach to Express Entry for Internationally Educated/Registered Nurses? Or if there’s even one?

I’ve heard that Internationally Educated/Registered Nurses can apply to Express Entry using secondary NOCs related to Registered Nursing e.g. Licensed Practical Nurse-3233, Allied primary health practitioners-3124, etc. without any prior registration with NNAS or any provincial professional licensing authority in Canada where this can be done once PR has been granted - is this true or accurate?

Please share and comment if you know anything about this. Or kindly point me in the right direction.

Any feedback is highly appreciated. This will help not only me but all Internationally Educated/Registered Nurses trying to immigrate to Canada.

Thank you very much in advance.

 

[Asivad Anac]

I was able to find the following NOCs after a cursory search for 'Nurses'.

3152 - Registered Nurses - http://www30.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=3&val1=3152&val65=nurse

3233 - Licensed Practical Nurses - http://www30.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=3&val1=3233&val65=nurse

3413 - Nurse Aides ... Associates - http://www30.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=3&val1=3413&val65=nurse

Of these, the last one cannot be used for EE as it is a NOC C job. There might be other relevant NOCs that I have missed out on this search.

If an applicant can provide valid reference letters proving that they have work experience (as required for their CRS) in the particular NOC, they will be treated exactly like any other skilled professional. However, the employment requirements (including provincial licensing, where needed) as mentioned in the URLs given above will apply when the person lands in Canada and starts looking for a job.

EE is NOC agnostic - everyone with basic eligibility (1 year experience under NOC 0/A/B within the last 10 years, for the purposes of FSW/CEC/PNP) is treated alike with the only differential being their CRS followed by the documents submitted along with their application.

 

[Ashdeep]

I am an international educated nurse I applied for OINP after getting invitation but I am licensed under province of Ontario as a registered nurse, but when I submitted my application for OINP I had to give my license, registration number and renewal copies of my RN license as I called OINP and they told me to do so but I am not sure how it works if you are not registered to practice.

 

[Asivad Anac]

I am an international educated nurse I applied for OINP after getting invitation but I am licensed under province of Ontario as a registered nurse, but when I submitted my application for OINP I had to give my license, registration number and renewal copies of my RN license as I called OINP and they told me to do so but I am not sure how it works if you are not registered to practice.

My reply was in the context of 'regular' ITA. The same rules need not apply to provincial nominations who can (and do) have their own criteria.

 

[Ashdeep]

Yes I agree, because it's totally different I was confused too but that's what OINP told me. It was just from my own experience. Thank you.

 

[T365]

Thank you very much to the both of you.

It seems Internationally Educated/Registered Nurses need to be registered with a province first before applying/getting nominated by the respective provincial nominee program....

I think it could be the same even getting a direct ITA...

If you know any other best approach please share. Thank you.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Thank you very much to the both of you.

It seems Internationally Educated/Registered Nurses need to be registered with a province first before applying/getting nominated by the respective provincial nominee program....

I think it could be the same even getting a direct ITA...

If you know any other best approach please share. Thank you.

It is not the same for a 'direct' ITA. A direct ITA is obtained on the strength of your own points without a provincial nomination or LMIA supported employment. Direct ITA is not restricted by NOC.

 

[T365]

It is not the same for a 'direct' ITA. A direct ITA is obtained on the strength of your own points without a provincial nomination or LMIA supported employment. Direct ITA is not restricted by NOC.

Thanks for clarifying that. What I meant is that I presume that after getting a direct ITA based purely on the applicant's CRS, CIC will still require the applicant to produce licensing/registration documents if his/her nominated occupation requires it licensing/registration before practice. Please correct me if wrong.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Thanks for clarifying that. What I meant is that I presume that after getting a direct ITA based purely on the applicant's CRS, CIC will still require the applicant to produce licensing/registration documents if his/her nominated occupation requires it licensing/registration before practice. Please correct me if wrong.

I imagine that CIC won't bother with that. That will be required after PR when a person actually considers employment in any province.

 

[T365]

I imagine that CIC won't bother with that. That will be required after PR when a person actually considers employment in any province.

Hmmm. Are you certain about this? Even if the nominated occupation requires licensing before practice? Because if yes, this is a very good news to us.....

 

[Asivad Anac]

Hmmm. Are you certain about this? Even if the nominated occupation requires licensing before practice? Because if yes, this is a very good news to us.....

For a 'regular' ITA, Yes. The officer only evaluates if your foreign work experience responsibilities closely match the main duties of your chosen NOC. You aren't required to demonstrate that you meet employment requirements as well.

Below information taken from here ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/econ/fsw/minimum.asp

Minimum work experience requirement

The applicant must have accumulated at least one year of continuous full-time (or the equivalent in part-time) paid work experience in the occupation identified in their application for permanent residence as their primary occupation. In calculating this period of work experience, the occupation must be listed in skill type 0 (Managerial occupations), skill level A (Professional occupations) or skill level B (Technical occupations and skilled trades) of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) 2011 [R75(2)(a)].

The applicant’s skilled work experience must also

have occurred within the ten years preceding the date of their application for permanent residence; and
not be in an occupation that has been designated as a restricted occupation.
Note: At the time of publication, no occupations were designated as restricted.

In addition, during that period of employment, the applicant must have

performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(b)]; and
performed a substantial number of the main duties, including all of the essential duties, of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(c)].

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.

 

[T365]

For a 'regular' ITA, Yes. The officer only evaluates if your foreign work experience responsibilities closely match the main duties of your chosen NOC. You aren't required to demonstrate that you meet employment requirements as well.

Below information taken from here ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/econ/fsw/minimum.asp

Okay, got it now. Thank you!!

 

[MooseNBooze]

Asivad is correct. This applies to any profession requiring license/special permits etc. You may have to show that you have/had the requisite license as (and if so) required in the country you were so employed, for the duration you're claiming experience points.

In other words, if you're a RN in a foreign country with over a year of fulltime experience then you can apply with the equivalent RN NOC as your primary NOC, no need to be licensed within Canada. This is for regular ITA. Some provinces like Saskatchewan require that certain licensed professionals have the requisite license to practice in that province. The federal EE program doesn't.

I hope this helps. My sister is a RN and is exploring EE so hence my interest in this topic. Best wishes to you.

 

[T365]

Asivad is correct. This applies to any profession requiring license/special permits etc. You may have to show that you have/had the requisite license as (and if so) required in the country you were so employed, for the duration you're claiming experience points.

In other words, if you're a RN in a foreign country with over a year of fulltime experience then you can apply with the equivalent RN NOC as your primary NOC, no need to be licensed within Canada. This is for regular ITA. Some provinces like Saskatchewan require that certain licensed professionals have the requisite license to practice in that province. The federal EE program doesn't.

I hope this helps. My sister is a RN and is exploring EE so hence my interest in this topic. Best wishes to you.

Hey buddy. Glad to hear someone with the same situation. Actually it's also my sister who is exploring EE as well.

I see. So when applying to EE via regular ITA, the applicant doesn't have to be licensed in any province. But when the applicant already has PR and needs to start working, he/she will need to apply for licensing first in the province he/she intends to reside.

Now I came across someone who is a Pediatric Physiotherapist in India. She is applying to OINP under Physiotherapist NOC code. According to her no prior licensing is required if she will just work as an Assistant to Physiotherapist. But this seems for her occupation only....

I'm hoping the same is for Nursing, but haven't come across someone who knows about this. I'm thinking to try and contact OINP directly.

Anyway, what is your sister's current approach to EE? Let's keep in touch and help each other's Sister

 

[Angelsky]

Hi! Great to see this thread, just wanna ask i have been nominated and the officer advised me to change my NOC to 3233 since I have only been assessed with a two year diploma. My question is under my reference letter my job title is head nurse. Do u think it will be a problem in my PR application? Thanks in advance