Education points

[bhadresh]

Dear Rupeshhari,
Thank you for your reply.
Thats what I am doubtfull. I think diploma from chamber of commerce is not valid.
But I am more relied on 11th class studies. If they count it then I will get 14 years and 20 points.
I have also passed MCP(microsoft certified professional) and MCSD )microsoft certified solution developer) exams. If it can be usefull anyhow.
I am also waiting for BobbyB's opinion.
Can you please tell me how to describe 14 years on application form.
Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
Bhadresh.

 

[rupeshhari]

IF it is 14 years, then 7 for primary, 4 for secondary and 3 for tertiary (i guess). Even this, let BobbyB answer. i dont want to take you down the wrong path.

 

[BobbyB]

Primary Education: 7 class 1 to 7
Secondary Education: 3 class 8 to 10
Higher Secondary Education: 2 class 11 to 12(passed in 11,but failed in 12th)
Diploma In Industrial Electronics: 3 Three years Diploma.


7+3+2+3=15 years of Education, after which a 3 years Diploma was attained in Electronics, irrespective of the fact that you failed your 12th Class as long as you attended full time.

In my view, you are looking at 22 Points ( Minimum 20 Points). When you write your "Education CV" you don't have to mention passed or failed. The diploma you attained at the end is significant after the no of years, provided that is the no of years required to achieve such a Diploma in the country of study.

Take alook at the CIC Website: It states:
"Obtained a three-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship (other than university) and completed at least 15 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies - 22 Points"

Disclaimer:
This is my personal view and Opinion and should not be taken as an Ultimate decision or resolution. I am neither an Immigration Lawyer nor Consultant.

 

[bhadresh]

Dear BobbyB,
Hi thanks for your reply.
Well, Its nice to show the education CV as you mentioned. But in India one can also do the diploma after 10th class. So it may also be 10 + 3=13
In my opinion they may need 12th class result, which will show fail in marksheet. But if they will not consider 12th class then too I will be getting 20 points for 14 years, right?
Should I claim for 22 points or 20 points?
At this stage if I am calculating 20 points for education, then I am getting 68 points, If 15 points I am getting 63 points.
What is your view Rupeshhari?
Regards,
Bhadresh.

 

[BobbyB]

fair enough.

If I were you, I will always use the Lower points calculation( Just in case).
What if you use the 15 points calculation, is there a way you can get the four Extra points say by taking IELTS, or claiming points for your Wife (if you are married) or having a relative in Canada who is a PR or Citizen (If you have any).


Any any case, if all of the above is "FALSE" then, I will still give it a go, assuming that you are awarded 20 Points.

Good Luck!!!

 

[rupeshhari]

Hey bobbyB, hope all is well. Unrelated question here (perhaps somewhat related), does a person have to finish o'levels to claim any years of education. So for example, in some countries, people leave half way through high school (say after 3 out of 5 and there is no national exam at that point) and go to vocational school and get a diploma. Since they did not write the national exam at the end of the fifth year, does that mean they have done no high school years for immigration purpose?

 

[pakistan]

Off course NO

 

[BobbyB]

Hey bobbyB, hope all is well. Unrelated question here (perhaps somewhat related), does a person have to finish o'levels to claim any years of education. So for example, in some countries, people leave half way through high school (say after 3 out of 5 and there is no national exam at that point) and go to vocational school and get a diploma. Since they did not write the national exam at the end of the fifth year, does that mean they have done no high school years for immigration purpose?

Hi Rupesh,

"me, I'm doin fine". How r u man? Long time no see on di forum!! Hope all is well wid u too?

Back to your question. According to my understanding, and again according to my understanding, it is very important and necessary to have, at the least, the so called "0 Levels in some countries, secondary or High school in some other countries" as this is the "Gateway or Route" to further Education, be it apprenticeship, Diploma or Degree.

Another point to note is, if you check the CIC website under the Education section it starts with no secondary = 0 points.
Then, you have "Obtained a secondary school credential" =5 Points.

That is why, when you calculate the no of years of full time studies you have to calculate:
Primary + Secondary + Any tertiary Education.


Now, I am not ruling out the fact that if somebody attends a 6 Year Primary school + 3 Years secondary school + 3 Years (Apprenticeship or Diploma), then he/she may fall into the following category:

Obtained a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and completed at least 12 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies
Obtained a one-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and completed at least 13 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies

This bit I am not sure of i.e whether the CIC accepts this or not.

 

[bhadresh]

HI BobbyB and Rupeshhari,
Can you please let me understand what you both have decided on my situation.
I am not understanding your discussion.
Well, let me tell you that I have 6.5 bands average in IELTS( 12 points= reading=7.5, writing= 6.5, speaking and listening=6 each), 5 points from wife(M.com), 21 points experience, 10 points age, not able to get any extra points.
Waiting for your reply.
Regards,
Bhadresh.

 

[rupeshhari]

sounds like you need 19 points,

You could either improve your IELTS by four points and apply using 10 years of schooling, 3 years of diploma (for a total of 13 years of education)

OR

claim 14 years of education and hence 20 points and hope for the best.

Of course, the first is a more sure way of getting accepted but it depends on whether you don;t mind the IELTS effort vs the risk of getting rejected.

 

[rupeshhari]

Well OP has 14 year of education but no university degree then how can he be awarded 20

14 years of education and a 2 year diploma gets you 20 points.

 

[bhadresh]

Dear Rupeshhari,
Hi, can you please let me know who can guide me a 100 % sure on this matter?
Can we ask for this to CIC? or any another method?
Waiting for your reply.
Regards,
Bhadresh.

 

[rupeshhari]

no way to be sure unless you go to a lawyer / consultant.

 

[DesiMike]

I think degree/diploma matters. I will count 13 years for bhadresh.
If someone passes grade 10 in 10 years and then he/she takes 6 years to pass grade 12. OR someone does grade 12 or diploma in three times in three different disciplines? How many years will you count? 12 or 16?

 

[mrshah30]

Dear forum members I have question regarding education kindly help me out...

1. 1985 - 1995 10 yr education (secondary) 10

2. 1995 - 1998 Intermediate (high school) 2

3. 1999- 2001 Bachelor of arts 2

4. 2005 - 2006 Graduate diploma 1
(not completed)
5. 2006 -2007 diploma in business 1

6. 2007 - 2009 Masters 1.5

No.4 the graduate diploma was not completed, my question is that after secondary school, there is gap of one year which i have included in high school. as i was sick at that time and on bed rest so, will it matter for CHC if so then how can i justify it..

pls advise regards