ECA equivalency: Points for incomplete education, incomplete degree

[Vijay.kmr]

Hello all, as I've begun to explore Canadian immigration, this forum has been a great resource to me. Thank you to all the contributors.

My query has come up on the forums before, yet, permit me to ask again:

From 2001 to 2006 I pursued an L.L.B (Hons.) degree in New Delhi. In the 5 years I passed all the written exams but failed to submit a dissertation in the final semester. I await a mercy chance to do so now from the university. Thus, presently I'm a secondary school graduate.

If I get an ECA and am given an equivalency to Canadian education of:

1. A paralegal, which is a 1 year diploma in Canada; or,
2. A Bachelor's Degree;

can I claim points for "1-year program at a university" in equivalency (1); or
can I claim points for "Bachelor's degree (three or more year program at a university" in equivalency (2)?

I understand that all depends on the wording in the WES report, yet I'd like to draw your attention to the following article by Al Parsai, Immigration consultancy Professor at Aston College, Vancouver:

He writes, "if you have not completed your post-secondary studies, you may still consider an ECA report. The ECA finds the equivalency in Canada. As a result, you could receive points for your incomplete education."

Thanks for looking at this.

Vijay

 

[Naturgrl]

An ECA may evaluate an incomplete degree. You will not be able to claim points for a degree since you need to graduate. Your degree may be given points/credit for one or 2 years at university.

Without a degree, are you even eligible for Express Entry with a minimum of 67 points?

 

[Vijay.kmr]

Hey Naturgrl, thanks for your reply.

Eligible to Express Entry without a degree? An emphatic no. However, a "College Certificate," (15 points) or a "College Diploma" (19 points) pushes me over.

You wrote, "you will not be able to claim points for a degree since you need to graduate," I understand I can't claim points for a Bachelor's degree then, even if ECA evaluates my unfinished education as one.

You added, "Your degree may be given points/credit for one or 2 years at university," by this do you mean a "College Certificate" (15 points) in the Express Entry/Fed Skilled, and a "one-year program at a university . . ." that is worth 90 points in the CRS?

Thanks for taking interest in this.

 

[scylla]

Hey Naturgrl, thanks for your reply.

Eligible to Express Entry without a degree? An emphatic no. However, a "College Certificate," (15 points) or a "College Diploma" (19 points) pushes me over.

You wrote, "you will not be able to claim points for a degree since you need to graduate," I understand I can't claim points for a Bachelor's degree then, even if ECA evaluates my unfinished education as one.

You added, "Your degree may be given points/credit for one or 2 years at university," by this do you mean a "College Certificate" (15 points) in the Express Entry/Fed Skilled, and a "one-year program at a university . . ." that is worth 90 points in the CRS?

Thanks for taking interest in this.

ECA may evaluate it as 1-2 years at a university - meaning it's education you didn't finish so zero points. So your report may say you completed 1-2 years of studies but not say this is the equivalent of any completed certificate or program in Canada - again, meaning zero points.

This is probably the most likely outcome since you did not complete the degree.

 

[Vijay.kmr]

Hey scylla, interesting nick.

You wrote, "so your report may say you completed 1-2 years of studies but not say this is the equivalent of any completed certificate or program in Canada"; I meant to ask, if the report does say that my education is the equivalent of a completed Canadian certificate, may I then be able to claim points for a certificate by mean of an incomplete degree? Or do you think a report simply can't say this.

 

[scylla]

Hey scylla, interesting nick.

You wrote, "so your report may say you completed 1-2 years of studies but not say this is the equivalent of any completed certificate or program in Canada"; I meant to ask, if the report does say that my education is the equivalent of a completed Canadian certificate, may I then be able to claim points for a certificate by mean of an incomplete degree? Or do you think a report simply can't say this.

You don't get points for incomplete education.

The ECA would need to evaluate your education as complete and the equivalent to something in Canada for you to get points.

If the ECA evaluates this as an incomplete degree (most likely outcome) - then zero points.

 

[Vijay.kmr]

You don't get points for incomplete education.

The ECA would need to evaluate your education as complete and the equivalent to something in Canada for you to get points.

If the ECA evaluates this as an incomplete degree (most likely outcome) - then zero points.

scylla, I thought as much. However, I happen to make this query after coming across an article which I think says otherwise; I quoted from it in my first post of the thread:

". . . article by Al Parsai, Immigration consultancy Professor at Aston College, Vancouver:

He writes, "if you have not completed your post-secondary studies, you may still consider an ECA report. The ECA finds the equivalency in Canada. As a result, you could receive points for your incomplete education.""

Is this relevant at all, you think?

Full article: https://www.settler.ca/english/eca-canada/

 

[scylla]

scylla, I thought as much. However, I happen to make this query after coming across an article which I think says otherwise; I quoted from it in my first post of the thread:

". . . article by Al Parsai, Immigration consultancy Professor at Aston College, Vancouver:

He writes, "if you have not completed your post-secondary studies, you may still consider an ECA report. The ECA finds the equivalency in Canada. As a result, you could receive points for your incomplete education.""

Is this relevant at all, you think?

Full article: https://www.settler.ca/english/eca-canada/

I'm not sure how you are understanding this. However it's saying the same thing I have said.

If by some fluke or luck, ECA evaluates your incomplete degree as being the equivalent of a completed program in Canada, you will get points. If ECA evaluates your incomplete degree as incomplete education, no points. The ECA results must equate your incomplete degree to a completed level of education in Canada for you to get points.

 

[Vijay.kmr]

If by some fluke or luck, ECA evaluates your incomplete degree as being the equivalent of a completed program in Canada, you will get points. . . . The ECA results must equate your incomplete degree to a completed level of education in Canada for you to get points.

scylla, your last post answers my question. Thanks for your patience with my query!

So, it's highly unlikely to get such a favourable ECA evaluation, but getting it would mean points.

 

[scylla]

scylla, your last post answers my question. Thanks for your patience with my query!

So, it's highly unlikely to get such a favourable ECA evaluation, but getting it would mean points.

Certainly worth a try. You might get lucky.

 

[Vijay.kmr]

Certainly worth a try. You might get lucky.

Hi again, scylla

I'm intending to get an evaluation for my incomplete degree, however, the WES website explicitly states: "IRCC asks applicants to submit only their highest completed credential for an Education Credential Assessment (ECA). Please review the notes below to determine which credentials you should send. To avoid delays, do not send additional documents unless they are requested by WES."

Should I then still send my 12th HS completed diploma and the uni transcript of the incomplete degree? I mean to ask, this statement of theirs is nothing new, I could still get lucky as you mentioned before?

You must pardon such clinging to straws kind of posts of mine, I understand that no one can give definitive answers in these matters. Yet, a word from an experienced player can be so very useful.

Ciao!

 

[scylla]

Hi again, scylla

I'm intending to get an evaluation for my incomplete degree, however, the WES website explicitly states: "IRCC asks applicants to submit only their highest completed credential for an Education Credential Assessment (ECA). Please review the notes below to determine which credentials you should send. To avoid delays, do not send additional documents unless they are requested by WES."

Should I then still send my 12th HS completed diploma and the uni transcript of the incomplete degree? I mean to ask, this statement of theirs is nothing new, I could still get lucky as you mentioned before?

You must pardon such clinging to straws kind of posts of mine, I understand that no one can give definitive answers in these matters. Yet, a word from an experienced player can be so very useful.

Ciao!

In my opinion your incomplete degree is going to be evaluated as an incomplete degree - which means you'll be able to claim no points. That's going to be the outcome.

If you are clinging to straws, then send the incomplete degree and see what happens. Then you'll know the answer for certain.