Duties and Responsibilities / Job Description - Are they THE MUST?

[nigel722]

Hi everyone,

I have just got an ITA under FSW on last Friday so I am now collecting the reference letters from my previous employers. The periods of employment that require reference letters are as follows.

Company A - 1 year 6 months
Company B - 1 year 1 month
Company C - 2 Years 4 months

The company B's HR was very persistent not to include Job Description together with the letter. Do you think my application would greatly be affected if I submit the rest, which are complete, and left the Company B's letter the way it is without JD? Since my ex supervisor and the head of department that I know of are no longer there. If I just submit, should I explain further on LOE regarding this?

Thank you very much in advance and good luck everyone!

 

[av.citizen]

Unfortunately for you, it is very important that you include job duties for that work experience as you are claiming points for it. Without it I doubt success of your application.

 

[PN2511]

has anyone had rejections coz their jackass old bosses wouldn't write reference letters for them ?

 

[nigel722]

Let me clarify on the letter from Company B. They still provide me a reference letter with all the required details except for the job description. Thanks again!

 

[Asivad Anac]

You will certainly get refused if your reference letter doesn't indicate job responsibilities which closely match the main duties of your chosen NOC.

 

[bb88]

You will certainly get refused if your reference letter doesn't indicate job responsibilities which closely match the main duties of your chosen NOC.

Hi Asivad,

I have a similar situation here , can you advise me as well?

Received ITA under FSW outland. I have 4 years experience with 4 different employers and my current employer is not willing to provide my roles and responsibilities, but providing all the other details just fine.
Deleting that employer from my post ITA profile would not change my CRS score but it will change my FSW score minus 2 points(but I will swill be eligible to apply under fsw).

What is your suggestion on my situation? Upload the employment letter as it is without duties&responsibilities. Add additional documents about the nature of my job, online job application screenshots and emails which have job duties&responsiblities but not on a company letterhead or any stamp, etc..
Or completely delete that record from work history and keep it in my personal history?

If I go with the first option and upload what they provide + LOE,etc, does that effect cic's decision compared to option 2.

Best,
Berk

 

[PN2511]

You will certainly get refused if your reference letter doesn't indicate job responsibilities which closely match the main duties of your chosen NOC.

Well my company 1 was shut down so there was no way of getting anything, company 2 refused, and company 3 ( which was the longest experience too) gave the letter. what do you think ?
and yeah the current Canadian employer has given everything ...

 

[chevy]

Hi everyone,

I have just got an ITA under FSW on last Friday so I am now collecting the reference letters from my previous employers. The periods of employment that require reference letters are as follows.

Company A - 1 year 6 months
Company B - 1 year 1 month
Company C - 2 Years 4 months

The company B's HR was very persistent not to include Job Description together with the letter. Do you think my application would greatly be affected if I submit the rest, which are complete, and left the Company B's letter the way it is without JD? Since my ex supervisor and the head of department that I know of are no longer there. If I just submit, should I explain further on LOE regarding this?

Thank you very much in advance and good luck everyone!

I had the same problem like you I got my PR, There are few things which are not in your hand, Just write LOE and explain the the duties in it for your company B and some proofs of your job like pay stubs and income tax returns...Go ahead and use that....

 

[PN2511]

I had the same problem like you I got my PR, There are few things which are not in your hand, Just write LOE and explain the the duties in it for your company B and some proofs of your job like pay stubs and income tax returns...Go ahead and use that....

Tha's a relief, what was your category ?

 

[chevy]

Tha's a relief, what was your category ?

EE FSW with 3 jobs included in work history and my company C provided me simple letter without job description, But I submitted that letter with LOE....

 

[PN2511]

EE FSW with 3 jobs included in work history and my company C provided me simple letter without job description, But I submitted that letter with LOE....

I see ! well only time will tell I guess , till then yay anxiety hehe

 

[jes_ON]

I have just got an ITA under FSW on last Friday so I am now collecting the reference letters from my previous employers. The periods of employment that require reference letters are as follows.

Company A - 1 year 6 months
Company B - 1 year 1 month
Company C - 2 Years 4 months

The company B's HR was very persistent not to include Job Description together with the letter. Do you think my application would greatly be affected if I submit the rest, which are complete, and left the Company B's letter the way it is without JD? Since my ex supervisor and the head of department that I know of are no longer there. If I just submit, should I explain further on LOE regarding this?

If you submit a letter for Company B without a job description (or alternative documentation), but the other two positions are properly documented, then you will likely have your CRS score reduced accordingly. What impact that has on your eligibility is unclear, since you have not stated whether this is in-Canada or Foreign work experience. If it is all foreign work experience, you still have over 3 years of experience accounted for, and it should have no impact on your eligibility.

If it is in-Canada experience, that could reduce your CRS score; if it goes below the threshold for the draw in which you received your ITA, then you would no longer be eligible and the application will be refused.

You can still submit the letter for Company B and write a Letter of Explanation, but you also have to include proof - e.g. if you have an email from Company B stating that they will not revise the letter to include job duties, include that. Also, if you have your old contract or any other document that includes job duties, you can also provide that. A letter from a former supervisor/co-worker may also help (even if they are no longer with the company). The point is to get someone to attest to the skilled work you performed...

 

[PN2511]

If you submit a letter for Company B without a job description (or alternative documentation), but the other two positions are properly documented, then you will likely have your CRS score reduced accordingly. What impact that has on your eligibility is unclear, since you have not stated whether this is in-Canada or Foreign work experience. If it is all foreign work experience, you still have over 3 years of experience accounted for, and it should have no impact on your eligibility.

If it is in-Canada experience, that could reduce your CRS score; if it goes below the threshold for the draw in which you received your ITA, then you would no longer be eligible and the application will be refused.

You can still submit the letter for Company B and write a Letter of Explanation, but you also have to include proof - e.g. if you have an email from Company B stating that they will not revise the letter to include job duties, include that. Also, if you have your old contract or any other document that includes job duties, you can also provide that. A letter from a former supervisor/co-worker may also help (even if they are no longer with the company). The point is to get someone to attest to the skilled work you performed...

our invitation is under FSW, though we are eligible for CEC too
so if my foreign work experience of two years out of 4 can not be counted coz we had no letter and had a letter for the other two, and even then the CRS , after reduction, is still above the threshold of that particular draw, we'll be fine ?

in our case
Company 1: current canadian employer 1.5 years , AOK
Company2: went under
company 3: complete refusal to cooperate , from anyone
comany 3 ( 2 years): AOK

 

[jes_ON]

our invitation is under FSW, though we are eligible for CEC too
so if my foreign work experience of two years out of 4 can not be counted coz we had no letter and had a letter for the other two, and even then the CRS , after reduction, is still above the threshold of that particular draw, we'll be fine ?

in our case
Company 1: current canadian employer 1.5 years , AOK
Company2: went under
company 3: complete refusal to cooperate , from anyone
comany 3 ( 2 years): AOK

Probably, but again, you have to EXPLAIN it and DOCUMENT it... you can't just ignore the requirement to submit the letter.

 

[PN2511]

Probably, but again, you have to EXPLAIN it and DOCUMENT it... you can't just ignore the requirement to submit the letter.

haha ofc yeah , we did explaina and furnish whatever proof we could... rest is upto our destiny and visa officer's mood !