Doctor doing ECA from WES

[shooterdee]

Hi Shooterdee can you kindly clarify for me...as a secondary applicant with a medical degree (MBBS) do i need to do ECA either with WES or MCC i don't intend to practice as a medical doctor.

If you selected NOC31111/31112 (applying as a specialist/general physician) then an ECA from MCC is a requirement. If however you're a secondary applicant and you didn't have to select the above NOC then ECA by WES should be fine. In any case if they have a problem with your documents, it is likely they'll send you a mail

 

[dranuragz]

Dear folks,

I am a primary applicant with an MBBS and an MBA degree. I dont intend to practice as a clinician.
Do i need to get my MBBS evaluated from MCC or from WES?
thanks!

 

[I.M.G.]

Hey everyone,

If I have a medical degree but my main occupation, which I intend to base my application on, is that of an insurance claims examiner (NOC "B" - 1312 ).

In my case I will need to do my ECA through WES and not MCC, right?

As I understand, you only request the ECA from MCC if one applies with NOC 3111 / 3112 (specialist/general physician), even if you have a medical degree. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Regards

 

[canuck78]

Could you please tell me what was your CRS score? and Do you have to clear MCCQE1 to get ITA?

No you don’t have to pass MCCQE1 to get ITA. A large portion of a IMGs never do MCCQE1 because they have no intention of practicing medicine in Canada because they know how difficult it will be to get a residency. Have you looked into how difficult it is to become licensed in Canada? Are you a specialist? There are certainly better odds for certain doctors and if you can practice in French. GPs, pathologist, psychiatrists, public health MDs and I may be missing a specialty have a better chance at securing a residency but it is certainly still difficult. There is lots of demand for every leftover residency spot. Young er applicants tend to have a better chance because it takes a lot of resources to train a physician so they want someone to practice as long as possible. If you have shown evidence that you plan on living in some of the provinces or remote areas that need the physicians your chances to secure some of the leftover residencies increases. The other issue is that many medical graduates have a difficult time finding a job in Canada and often end up moving elsewhere (mostly the US). Just making sure you actually have done your research considering their are other countries that make it much easier for IMGs to work.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nearly-one-in-five-new-specialist-doctors-cant-find-a-job-after/

 

[MKgacias]

What if primary applicant is a Doctor and doesn’t want to practise Medicine in Canada! Can he/she get ECA through WES or BCIT. Would CIC process the EE Case?

hi! I just want to know if you proceeded with ECA from WES? I am also applying in Canada but not to practice medicine.

 

[MKgacias]

Dear folks,

I am a primary applicant with an MBBS and an MBA degree. I dont intend to practice as a clinician.
Do i need to get my MBBS evaluated from MCC or from WES?
thanks!

hi! im also applying in Canada not do not intend to practice medicine. just want to know if where did you get ur ECA? WES or MCC?

 

[I.M.G.]

hi! im also applying in Canada not do not intend to practice medicine. just want to know if where did you get ur ECA? WES or MCC?

Pretty sure that it depends on the occupation (NOC) you're using for your application. If I understood things well, the Express Entry documentation specifies that certain occupations need to do their degree evaluation via specific organizations (MCC in the case of physicians, NOC 3111 / 3112 ).

The keyword here is occupation. So for instance, if you have a medical degree -BUT- you work in the business side of medicine, in the research field, teaching, etc., and NOT as a physician (and you're applying using that non-physician NOC), then you would have to do your evaluation through WES and not through MCC. On the contrary, if you work as a physician in your home country, plan to use these years of experience on your application, then you would have to do your evaluation through MCC, EVEN IF YOU DON'T INTEND ON PRACTICING IN CANADA.

That's what I understood at least. If someone could confirm this information I'd appreciate it.

 

[Wolfpmd3]

hi! I just want to know if you proceeded with ECA from WES? I am also applying in Canada but not to practice medicine.

An assessment from WES is not something you need to do. Since Medicine is a Regulated profession you need to have the credentials assessed by the regulatory body. In the case of Medical professions is the Medical Council of Canada

To get a better understanding on how to do this you should Google: Medical council of Canada and visit physiciansapply.ca,

It should be fairly easy to get your way through these web pages and find the information on how to go about having your medical degree assessed.

FYI, it's going to be several times more expensive that a regular ECA.

Pretty sure that it depends on the occupation (NOC) you're using for your application. If I understood things well, the Express Entry documentation specifies that certain occupations need to do their degree evaluation via specific organizations (MCC in the case of physicians, NOC 3111 / 3112 ).

The keyword here is occupation. So for instance, if you have a medical degree -BUT- you work in the business side of medicine, in the research field, teaching, etc., and NOT as a physician (and you're applying using that non-physician NOC), then you would have to do your evaluation through WES and not through MCC. On the contrary, if you work as a physician in your home country, plan to use these years of experience on your application, then you would have to do your evaluation through MCC, EVEN IF YOU DON'T INTEND ON PRACTICING IN CANADA.

That's what I understood at least. If someone could confirm this information I'd appreciate it.

No, because there is no way to prove what kind of occupation you'll have once in Canada. The whole point of ECAs is to make sure your degree is equivalent to a Canadian degree, making your credential (degree) valid or equivalent to that in Canada.

Regulated professions such as Medicine, for which you need a Medical degree in order to practice in that field, have independent regulatory bodies that also are in charge of assessing foreign credentials. Hence, to obtain such equivalency these regulatory bodies must perform the ECA. Remember a Medical degree will grant you the same amount of points as having a Masters Degree.

If you're are not planning to practice in your field, based on your credentials, you still need to have them assessed the same way indepently of which the final trade you'll be working on will be.

 

[I.M.G.]

An assessment from WES is not something you need to do. Since Medicine is a Regulated profession you need to have the credentials assessed by the regulatory body. In the case of Medical professions is the Medical Council of Canada

To get a better understanding on how to do this you should Google: Medical council of Canada and visit physiciansapply.ca,

It should be fairly easy to get your way through these web pages and find the information on how to go about having your medical degree assessed.

FYI, it's going to be several times more expensive that a regular ECA.


No, because there is no way to prove what kind of occupation you'll have once in Canada. The whole point of ECAs is to make sure your degree is equivalent to a Canadian degree, making your credential (degree) valid or equivalent to that in Canada.

Regulated professions such as Medicine, for which you need a Medical degree in order to practice in that field, have independent regulatory bodies that also are in charge of assessing foreign credentials. Hence, to obtain such equivalency these regulatory bodies must perform the ECA. Remember a Medical degree will grant you the same amount of points as having a Masters Degree.

If you're are not planning to practice in your field, based on your credentials, you still need to have them assessed the same way indepently of which the final trade you'll be working on will be.

Hello, I think the express entry website is very clear in this regard. Here's the link.

Firstly, they define Primary Occupation as this: "Your primary occupation means the job you have experience in (within the last ten years) and want to base your immigration application on, if you are invited to apply."

Secondly, the site states the following: If your primary occupation is specialist physician (NOC 3111) or general practitioner/family physician (NOC 3112), the Medical Council of Canada must do an ECA for your primary medical diploma. If you have a different primary occupation, another designated organization can do your assessment.

Therefore, we can conclude:

• If you possess a medical degree BUT your primary occupation is not either NOC 3111 / 3112, then WES/other organizations can do your evaluation.
• On the other hand, if you possess a medical degree AND your primary occupation is that of a medical practitioner (NOC 3111/3112), then MCC is the only one that can do your evaluation.

Two examples:

• "Doctor 1" has a medical degree, but his main occupation is that of a University Professor (NOC 4011). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so for this purpose he can have his degree evaluated by WES.
  • (If "Doctor 1" manages to get PR and once in Canada decides to pursue a medical career, he will then need to have MCC evaluate his degree. But as you can see that's irrelevant for the entire express entry procedure!)
• "Doctor 2" has a medical degree and is a family practitioner (NOC 3112). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so MCC is the only organization that can have his degree evaluated.

Whether you're planning on becoming a practitioner or not afterwards in Canada is irrelevant for Express Entry purposes. This is because even if you do manage to get a PR with a medical degree, but a non-physician occupation, and later decide that you want to try being a doctor in Canada, then you will have to have MCC evaluate your degree later anyways.

Once again, do correct me if I'm mistaken. Regards.

 

[Wolfpmd3]

Hello, I think the express entry website is very clear in this regard. Here's the link.

Firstly, they define Primary Occupation as this: "Your primary occupation means the job you have experience in (within the last ten years) and want to base your immigration application on, if you are invited to apply."

Secondly, the site states the following: If your primary occupation is specialist physician (NOC 3111) or general practitioner/family physician (NOC 3112), the Medical Council of Canada must do an ECA for your primary medical diploma. If you have a different primary occupation, another designated organization can do your assessment.

Therefore, we can conclude:

• If you possess a medical degree BUT your primary occupation is not either NOC 3111 / 3112, then WES/other organizations can do your evaluation.
• On the other hand, if you possess a medical degree AND your primary occupation is that of a medical practitioner (NOC 3111/3112), then MCC is the only one that can do your evaluation.

Two examples:

• "Doctor 1" has a medical degree, but his main occupation is that of a University Professor (NOC 4011). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so for this purpose he can have his degree evaluated by WES.
  • (If "Doctor 1" manages to get PR and once in Canada decides to pursue a medical career, he will then need to have MCC evaluate his degree. But as you can see that's irrelevant for the entire express entry procedure!)
• "Doctor 2" has a medical degree and is a family practitioner (NOC 3112). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so MCC is the only organization that can have his degree evaluated.

Whether you're planning on becoming a practitioner or not afterwards in Canada is irrelevant for Express Entry purposes. This is because even if you do manage to get a PR with a medical degree, but a non-physician occupation, and later decide that you want to try being a doctor in Canada, then you will have to have MCC evaluate your degree later anyways.

Once again, do correct me if I'm mistaken. Regards.

You are correct. My apologies, i mistakenly understood you were referring to the occupation you'll have once in Canada.

Yes, if your primary occupation, with which you'll be applying for EE, has been different (other than physician) then you'd need a regular ECA and not one from the MCC.

 

[Sen88]

Dear folks,

I am a primary applicant with an MBBS and an MBA degree. I dont intend to practice as a clinician.
Do i need to get my MBBS evaluated from MCC or from WES?
thanks!

Hi Any update? Is it enough to get WES evaluation to receive ITA for main applicant who is not in clinical? No need MCC?

 

[sangita837]

Hello, I think the express entry website is very clear in this regard. Here's the link.

Firstly, they define Primary Occupation as this: "Your primary occupation means the job you have experience in (within the last ten years) and want to base your immigration application on, if you are invited to apply."

Secondly, the site states the following: If your primary occupation is specialist physician (NOC 3111) or general practitioner/family physician (NOC 3112), the Medical Council of Canada must do an ECA for your primary medical diploma. If you have a different primary occupation, another designated organization can do your assessment.

Therefore, we can conclude:

• If you possess a medical degree BUT your primary occupation is not either NOC 3111 / 3112, then WES/other organizations can do your evaluation.
• On the other hand, if you possess a medical degree AND your primary occupation is that of a medical practitioner (NOC 3111/3112), then MCC is the only one that can do your evaluation.

Two examples:

• "Doctor 1" has a medical degree, but his main occupation is that of a University Professor (NOC 4011). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so for this purpose he can have his degree evaluated by WES.
  • (If "Doctor 1" manages to get PR and once in Canada decides to pursue a medical career, he will then need to have MCC evaluate his degree. But as you can see that's irrelevant for the entire express entry procedure!)
• "Doctor 2" has a medical degree and is a family practitioner (NOC 3112). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so MCC is the only organization that can have his degree evaluated.

Whether you're planning on becoming a practitioner or not afterwards in Canada is irrelevant for Express Entry purposes. This is because even if you do manage to get a PR with a medical degree, but a non-physician occupation, and later decide that you want to try being a doctor in Canada, then you will have to have MCC evaluate your degree later anyways.

Once again, do correct me if I'm mistaken. Regards.

Thank you so much for this information. It has made everything clear. Could you please provide some information regarding how much time will it take to get ECA from MCC annd the total cost for this process as well?

 

[Naturgrl]

Thank you so much for this information. It has made everything clear. Could you please provide some information regarding how much time will it take to get ECA from MCC annd the total cost for this process as well?

On the website,

https://physiciansapply.ca/services/educational-credential-assessment/

 

[Thirty30]

Hello, I think the express entry website is very clear in this regard. Here's the link.

Firstly, they define Primary Occupation as this: "Your primary occupation means the job you have experience in (within the last ten years) and want to base your immigration application on, if you are invited to apply."

Secondly, the site states the following: If your primary occupation is specialist physician (NOC 3111) or general practitioner/family physician (NOC 3112), the Medical Council of Canada must do an ECA for your primary medical diploma. If you have a different primary occupation, another designated organization can do your assessment.

Therefore, we can conclude:

• If you possess a medical degree BUT your primary occupation is not either NOC 3111 / 3112, then WES/other organizations can do your evaluation.
• On the other hand, if you possess a medical degree AND your primary occupation is that of a medical practitioner (NOC 3111/3112), then MCC is the only one that can do your evaluation.

Two examples:

• "Doctor 1" has a medical degree, but his main occupation is that of a University Professor (NOC 4011). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so for this purpose he can have his degree evaluated by WES.
  • (If "Doctor 1" manages to get PR and once in Canada decides to pursue a medical career, he will then need to have MCC evaluate his degree. But as you can see that's irrelevant for the entire express entry procedure!)
• "Doctor 2" has a medical degree and is a family practitioner (NOC 3112). He is basing his express entry application on this NOC, so MCC is the only organization that can have his degree evaluated.

Whether you're planning on becoming a practitioner or not afterwards in Canada is irrelevant for Express Entry purposes. This is because even if you do manage to get a PR with a medical degree, but a non-physician occupation, and later decide that you want to try being a doctor in Canada, then you will have to have MCC evaluate your degree later anyways.

Once again, do correct me if I'm mistaken. Regards.

This should be pinned. Thank you so much. I've spent days trying to figure this one out.

 

[absam321]

Dear Gents,
Need your kind support and advise regarding one issue which i facing,i applied as General practitioner/family physician 2016 NOC code 3112 and done ECA from WES and got ITA. After submission of all documents i received response from IRCC General practitioner/family physician 2016 NOC code 3112 must need to submit ECA from MCC(Medical Coucil of Canada) and they give me 30 days to submit my ECA from MCC report with in 30 days other wise my application may cause rejected.
After that i applied for ECA MCC but its lengthy process its will take 2-3 Moths so i applied Extension will they allow me extension kindly guide.

Hey, Did you get your nomination after doing these steps?