Do We have to live together to get a citizenship?

[amjad1002]

i have a question about PR status,
like 730 days in 5 years period so my question is that from which day this will count like from marriage date of from we are living to gather like we are right now living to gather out side of Canada and i not submit my PR case yet.

thanks

 

[amjad1002]

ok i got it now,
now i want to know that when i will apply for my PR application and when we will get approval and visa so when i will get my PR card? like after arriving or we have to wait how many days?
also one more thing if we get PR card on arrival so after that my wife and me can move from there if my wife get a job in other country or we both have to wait 730 days after land there and if we have can move from there and want back after some years so i have to apply my citizen ship right??

thanks

 

[Sweden]

When you land in Canada, you will get the COPR ( confirmation of PR) signed, and with that you can obtain a SIN and register for healthcare ( even if it will not start right away). The PR card comes a bit later - currently it takes about 55 days to get the PR card sent to your address ( you indicate an address when you land). You don't need to wait for the card if you need to travel right away... you can exit Canada without the PR card, but you will need it to re-enter. If you get it sent to a friend for example, he can receive your PR card (it comes with normal post, no signature required), and then send it to you (be aware that Canada Post normally is not allowed to send a PR card outside of Canada, but if it's not obvious, then it should not be a problem).

Your wife is a citizen, so she can move again, without problem. For you, you need to spend 730 days out of 5 years to maintain your PR status. BUT - if you are outside of Canada with your sponsor (your wife), then the days outside of Canada will count in the 730 days, so if you stay with your wife outside of the country, you will be able to maintain your PR. However, the days spent outside of Canada can not count for citizenship.

So to take a concrete example: if you land on the 1st of January 2014, and then your wife gets a job in Japan(just an example). If you go and live with her in Japan from the 2nd of January, you can stay with her as long as you want, as the day spent with your Canadian sponsor count for the PR - so you are not at risk to loose your PR. After 55 days, the PR card arrives at the address in Canada, and somebody can then send it to you.

If after 3 years, you and your wife decide to go back to Canada, it's not a problem - you are still a PR, and you can enter Canada. If you enter Canada on the 1st of January 2017, from that date you need to be physically present in Canada for 3 years before you can apply for citizenship. Once you apply, there is a waiting period ( you get sent a book to study, then there is an exam, and in some provinces it can take a really long time - like a year - to get a date for the exam.).

What you can not do is: stay outside of Canada without your wife for more than 2 years out of 5, as you risk loosing your status. AS long as you are outside of Canada with your wife, as she is a citizen, the days spent together will be counted to maintain your PR status.

Good luck,
Sweden

 

[Sweden]

for the full rules and for further reference, you can see here http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

appendix A explains how to maintain your residency and what you can do, and what documents will be required.
Good luck,
Sweden

 

[jarry96]

When you land in Canada, you will get the COPR ( confirmation of PR) signed, and with that you can obtain a SIN and register for healthcare ( even if it will not start right away). The PR card comes a bit later - currently it takes about 55 days to get the PR card sent to your address ( you indicate an address when you land). You don't need to wait for the card if you need to travel right away... you can exit Canada without the PR card, but you will need it to re-enter. If you get it sent to a friend for example, he can receive your PR card (it comes with normal post, no signature required), and then send it to you (be aware that Canada Post normally is not allowed to send a PR card outside of Canada, but if it's not obvious, then it should not be a problem).

Your wife is a citizen, so she can move again, without problem. For you, you need to spend 730 days out of 5 years to maintain your PR status. BUT - if you are outside of Canada with your sponsor (your wife), then the days outside of Canada will count in the 730 days, so if you stay with your wife outside of the country, you will be able to maintain your PR. However, the days spent outside of Canada can not count for citizenship.

So to take a concrete example: if you land on the 1st of January 2014, and then your wife gets a job in Japan(just an example). If you go and live with her in Japan from the 2nd of January, you can stay with her as long as you want, as the day spent with your Canadian sponsor count for the PR - so you are not at risk to loose your PR. After 55 days, the PR card arrives at the address in Canada, and somebody can then send it to you.

If after 3 years, you and your wife decide to go back to Canada, it's not a problem - you are still a PR, and you can enter Canada. If you enter Canada on the 1st of January 2017, from that date you need to be physically present in Canada for 3 years before you can apply for citizenship. Once you apply, there is a waiting period ( you get sent a book to study, then there is an exam, and in some provinces it can take a really long time - like a year - to get a date for the exam.).

What you can not do is: stay outside of Canada without your wife for more than 2 years out of 5, as you risk loosing your status. AS long as you are outside of Canada with your wife, as she is a citizen, the days spent together will be counted to maintain your PR status.

Good luck,
Sweden

There is a separate issue to consider. In order for a Canadian citizen who is residing outside Canada to sponsor his foreign partner, it is vital to prove to CIC that the Canadian citizen will move back to Canada and reside there when the partner gets his visa. The visa would be denied otherwise.

 

[amjad1002]

thanks Sweden for Detail Example i also have question that CIC mention that if my wife want to sponsor out side Canada so she must be declare that she want to resettle in Canada when my husband will get visa so in this situation CIC will hold my PR if my wife again go to other country for Example (Japan) for work or if i will get my PR card and then i will move to my wife where she is working so CIC can revoke my PR.

thank for your reply

regards

 

[amjad1002]

Hi Sweden
i have one question about what link you sent me before about Appendix A of CIC web site,

Appendix A: Residency obligation
Minimum residency obligations

You must meet the residency obligation to obtain a Permanent Resident Card.

If you have been a permanent resident for Five (5) years or more

you must have been physically present in Canada for a minimum of 730 days within the past five (5) years.

If you have been a permanent resident for less than five (5) years

you must show that you will be able to meet the minimum of 730 days physical presence in Canada at the five (5)-year mark.

Time spent outside of Canada

You may also count the days spent outside of Canada in the following circumstances as days for which you satisfy the residency obligation:

OPTION 1. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

You may count each day that you accompanied a Canadian citizen outside Canada provided that the person you accompanied is your

spouse or common-law partner or
parent, if you are less than 22 years of age

Evidence that you are accompanying a Canadian citizen
You must provide supporting documents to prove that:

The person you are accompanying is a Canadian citizen; and
You are the spouse, common-law partner or child of that person.

Supporting documents may include:

marriage licence
child’s birth certificate, baptismal document, and/or adoption or guardianship document
school and/or employment records
association or club memberships
passports or other travel documents
documents indicating the status of the person you are accompanying



OPTION 2. Employment outside Canada

You may count each day you worked outside Canada provided that your employment meets the following criteria:

you are an employee of, or under contract to, a Canadian business or the public service of Canada or of a province and
you are assigned on a full-time basis to:
a position outside Canada
an affiliated enterprise outside Canada or
a client of the Canadian business or the public service outside Canada

For the purposes of this application, a Canadian business is defined as:

a corporation that is incorporated under the laws of Canada or of a province and that has an ongoing operation in Canada
an enterprise that has:
an ongoing operation in Canada
is capable of generating revenue
is carried out in anticipation of profit
in which a majority of voting or ownership interests is held by Canadian citizens, permanent residents, or Canadian businesses as defined above or
an organization or enterprise created by the laws of Canada or a province

Supporting documents:

You must enclose a letter of declaration signed by an official of the business that indicates:

the position and title of the signing official
the nature of the business and how it fits the description of a Canadian business (see definition above)
details of your assignment or contract outside Canada such as — duration of the assignment; confirmation that you are a full-time employee of the “Canadian business” working abroad on a full-time basis as a term of their employment, or you are on contract working on a full-time basis abroad as a term of their contract; and a description or copy of the position profile regarding the assignment or contract abroad
confirmation that the business has not been created primarily for the purpose of allowing you to satisfy your residency obligation

You may also include:

articles of incorporation and business licences
partnership agreements and / or corporate annual reports
corporate Canadian Income Tax Notices of Assessment and / or financial statements
copies of the Employee Assignment Agreement or Contract
copies of any agreements between the Canadian business and the business or client outside Canada concerning your assignment to that client or business
Pay Statement(s)
Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment
T4 slips

my question is that Appendix A is apply on me if my Citizen wife will get job out site Cananda and i Accompanying to her not appendix B if i am right so.
also if i will get job where my wife work so that country will change my visa from spouse visa to work visa like if i will found work in (japan) so how we can show that i am living with her.

thanks a lot.

regard

 

[Sweden]

Hi Sweden
i have one question about what link you sent me before about Appendix A of CIC web site,

my question is that Appendix A is apply on me if my Citizen wife will get job out site Cananda and i Accompanying to her not appendix B if i am right so.
also if i will get job where my wife work so that country will change my visa from spouse visa to work visa like if i will found work in (japan) so how we can show that i am living with her.

thanks a lot.

regard

Hey,

I'm not sure what your mean by Appendix B. In your case, if you go outside of Canada because your wife is outside of Canada, the days will count for your PR obligation. However, there is, as mentioned before, the issue of not moving to Canada - normally the PR is intended for people that are moving to Canada. Your wife as a sponsor has to prove that she will be moving back to Canada with her family... so if she leaves again just after getting your PR, it might create some problems ( some others commented on that before in the thread). I'm not sure what CIC does in these cases.

As long as you can show that you are living together ( with both names on the rent for example), then it should not be difficult to show that you are in the country because of your wife.
Good luck,
Sweden

 

[amjad1002]

thanks Sweden,
if any one know more about this situation pls share thanks..