Do they know if we leave Canada?

[zardoz]

I'm sorry, but you are appearing to be very naive about border security. You would have to demonstrate why you think this is "illegal".

Start here -> http://www.priv.gc.ca/resource/fs-fi/02_05_d_45_e.asp and assume that similar systems apply in most countries in the world.

You should also read http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/api_ipv-eng.html especially the section which states

Under Canadian law, all commercial carriers are required to provide the CBSA with API/PNR data relating to all persons travelling to Canada. Airlines collect API data when passengers check in; PNR is drawn from airline flight reservations systems.

Advance Passenger Information (API)
Basic data identifying a person including the traveller's name, date of birth, gender, citizenship or nationality and travel document data. This type of information can be obtained from the machine-readable area of a person's passport.

Passenger Name Record (PNR)
Data that relates to a traveller's reservation and travel itinerary including type of ticket, date of travel, number of bags, etc. This type of information can be obtained from a commercial carrier's departure control and reservation systems.

 

[adame]

... you are appearing to be very naive about border security.

Isn't this the beauty about this forum. to help the people who don't know to know
sometimes the information comes from arrogant, cocky people who judge and insult others but hey, small price to pay for knowledge

Thank you for sharing the knowledge in a decent respectful way and I admit the document you sent was very informative

questions answered.. wonder remain why the long long delay in deciding when the verification could take minutes for every case.

but hey, they must have a reason.. I hope

 

[adame]

Isn't this the beauty about this forum. to help the people who don't know to know
sometimes the information comes from arrogant, cocky people who judge and insult others but hey, small price to pay for knowledge

Thank you for sharing the knowledge in a decent respectful way and I admit the document you sent was very informative

Question answered.. wonders remain why the long long delay in deciding when the verification could take minutes for every case.

but hey, they must have a reason..

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

And how do the border service know? only through the airlines, right?
its the only way.
fine by me but guess what? its illegal.

When someone clearly states "How can we cheat?" they are trying to get away with something they shouldn't. Its CBSA job to monitor the border. If they don't then why have them at all?
As I said before it is not illegal.

 

[SenoritaBella]

The long delay could be due to several factors such as:
1. background checks - everyone goes through this again before obtaining citizenship for nationality security reasons. They have to be sure people are not a danger to Canada and its citizens. It's only fair, don't you think?

2. while it is possible to obtain reliable information from many developed countries, CIC is aware that people try to "beat" the system in countries where border control isn't as strict or with a lot of corruption. e.g. some people may travel home by air, then take a boat into another country without a trace. If they are travelling to countries with known terror ties, then CBSA and CSIS need to know this.

Personally, I have no problem with this especially in light of the Boston Marathon tragedy. That is one example to indicate sometimes nationality security has to take precedence over people's rights. e.g. the FBI closed the guy's file b/c they didn't have a lead/more information after 2 - 3 years and couldn't leave a file "open". Bloody hell, had they left it open and monitored him for 10 years or the rest of his life they might have noticed he was getting more radicalized. There's nothing to worry about with a little more monitoring from the gov't.

3. Budget cuts - if you have been following the news, you know that many consular offices have been closed and workers lost jobs. Just this week, it was announced that "Passport Canada" will now become the primary responsibility of CIC. More people must have lost their jobs with this move. It's safe to assume that these changes have increased the workload for the officers.

4. Applicants do not always follow instructions despite the efforts CIC has made to provide a guide. Search this forum and you'd be surprised how many people "forgot" to sign a form, missed an item on the checklist, or the classic, they applied for citizenship without having 1095 days either by "mistake" or outright fraud. When they receive a RQ, they withdraw or abandon the application. Such applicants are clogging the system and until each person takes personal responsibility, I'm afraid pointing fingers at the government is a futile exercise.

Lastly, in my opinion, if one has been through the system up to the point of citizenship, one has the patience to wait a little more. Submit a complete application and supporting documents and wait patiently for your turn. If you get a RQ, don't panic, submit what's needed, go on with your life and check the status of the application intermittently. The gov't is aware of the long processing times but they have to balance that with the interests of national security, so we all need to have a little more patience.

 

[adame]

SenioritaBella
Best reply ever
Thank you

 

[adame]

When someone clearly states "How can we cheat?" they are trying to get away with something they shouldn't.

Oh my god I am busted!!
I am so glad that finally after hundreds of viewers to this post a smart person unveiled my evil intentions from this sentence.
I have to admit sir.. you are so so clever. You should be proud of yourself.
its only with smart thinking like that Canada is getting better and better everyday..
Your analytical skills are unbelievable and you don't let words pass easily.. very smart person I love you already.
Congratulations for your skills and again you should be proud of yourself

you should seriously start thinking of fighting crime. The country needs you sir

could this not to continue to be personal any more and we deal with the information..
points have been made, evidences made clear, assumptions make some sense and I now know more

Thanks everyone xx

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

Oh my god I am busted!!
I am so glad that finally after hundreds of viewers to this post a smart person unveiled my evil intentions from this sentence.
I have to admit sir.. you are so so clever. You should be proud of yourself.
its only with smart thinking like that Canada is getting better and better everyday..
Your analytical skills are unbelievable and you don't let words pass easily.. very smart person I love you already.
Congratulations for your skills and again you should be proud of yourself

you should seriously start thinking of fighting crime. The country needs you sir

could this not to continue to be personal any more and we deal with the information..
points have been made, evidences made clear, assumptions make some sense and I now know more

Thanks everyone xx

Its apparent that you have issues or a poor grasp of English comprehension. LOL.

"Very unfair!!
How can we cheat then?!"

These are your words not mine. You complain that it unfair that you cannot cheat? Not sure what country you may have come from but maybe you should move back there if you are so concerned about scamming the system.

 

[mic8400]

I just don't think he's getting it. -___-

 

[SenoritaBella]

I don't think either party understands what the other is trying to put across.lol

What I made of adame's comment is this: with all the border controls, checks, etc he was trying to understand how it is that the citizenship process still takes such a long time. He therefore felt agencies like CBSA don't have these records necessarily otherwise they would refer to them or it wouldn't take so long.
Also, he couldn't understand how it would be possible for someone to cheat with all the checks in place. I don't believe he is trying to "cheat" the system. We know people still try to "beat" the system and some have succeeded in getting citizenship without having the 1095 days.

Hope this clears the air and we can all go back to finding solutions to help reduce the long processing times. Have a good day and upcoming week, people.

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

I don't think either party understands what the other is trying to put across.lol

What I made of adame's comment is this: with all the border controls, checks, etc he was trying to understand how it is that the citizenship process still takes such a long time. He therefore felt agencies like CBSA don't have these records necessarily otherwise they would refer to them or it wouldn't take so long.
Also, he couldn't understand how it would be possible for someone to cheat with all the checks in place. I don't believe he is trying to "cheat" the system. We know people still try to "beat" the system and some have succeeded in getting citizenship without having the 1095 days.

Hope this clears the air and we can all go back to finding solutions to help reduce the long processing times. Have a good day and upcoming week, people.

If that's what he meant then maybe that's what he should have said.

Processing times are long because the volumes of applications grow while the government closes Visa offices abroad and reduce the number of foreign service workers. Once they open up your application it doesn't take long to process so long as all your documentation is there.

 

[SenoritaBella]

May be that's what he tried to put across but it was missed because you were looking at his comments through your own lens? I like to think of opinions like lenses. If I look at your opinion through my own lens, I only see it as I want to. But if I try to see it using your own lens, perhaps I can see where you are coming from. It is ok for us not to understand someone else's point of view, but equally important is what we do to overcome that. Did we ask questions to try to understand or did we assume, judge and condemn them?

Unfortunately, society tends to label people or put them into categories e.g. if you are against something/question it, you must be "hiding" something, etc. What is lost sometimes is people sometimes are genuinely curious or are trying to understand.

If that's what he meant then maybe that's what he should have said.

Processing times are long because the volumes of applications grow while the government closes Visa offices abroad and reduce the number of foreign service workers. Once they open up your application it doesn't take long to process so long as all your documentation is there.

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

May be that's what he tried to put across but it was missed because you were looking at his comments through your own lens? I like to think of opinions like lenses. If I look at your opinion through my own lens, I only see it as I want to. But if I try to see it using your own lens, perhaps I can see where you are coming from. It is ok for us not to understand someone else's point of view, but equally important is what we do to overcome that. Did we ask questions to try to understand or did we assume, judge and condemn them?

Unfortunately, society tends to label people or put them into categories e.g. if you are against something/question it, you must be "hiding" something, etc. What is lost sometimes is people sometimes are genuinely curious or are trying to understand.

Not to make a big deal out of this but the onus to be understood is on the person initiating the statement. A few people came to the same conclusion I did by what he posted so instead of the sarcasm he should have taken the time to reword his comments. Its not my job to understand him its his job to be understood.

 

[SenoritaBella]

As humans we are great at telling others what they should/shouldn't have done or what their jobs are. But do we take the time to look at what we could have done better or take our own advice? Even when we have behaved poorly we want to make others responsibility for it. Food for thought.

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

As humans we are great at telling others what they should/shouldn't have done or what their jobs are. But do we take the time to look at what we could have done better or take our own advice? Even when we have behaved poorly we want to make others responsibility for it. Food for thought.

As you say that you are guilty of it yourself. What I'm saying is simply that that each of us has a personal responsibility to be understood. If I make a comment which fails to send the meaning of what I want to convey its my responsibility to reword so it sends the message I intend. Its not your job to try to figure out what I'm trying to say.