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bobshynoswife said:
For a foreign divorce to be recognized in Canada, one of the spouses must be a resident in the country where the divorce was obtained for a minimum of 1 year before the divorce.

It is doubtful the OP would go to Pakistan for a year, and surely the wife would not go, so the absolutely MUST get divorced legally in Canada. They can get divorced after being separated for one year.

http://www.self-counsel.com/news/law/relationships/237-foreign-divorces-and-canadians.html
this is questionable....the link above is suggesting the marriage was performed in Canada and then one partner left and obtained a divorce in another country...since the marriage was in the other Country I don't think this applies....
 
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I got it from the canadian government web page i just typed in divorce for forigners,i would have pasted it but its three pages long.But bobs wife just posted a link for it.

Section 5.33 of the OP2 manual will explain all of the resources for divorce of forign couples.

Both spouses become permanent residents in
Canada, and then six months later the spouses
obtain a divorce from their native country’s
The divorce may not be recognized under Canadian
law because neither party was resident in the native
country for one year immediately preceding the

But then i found conflicting results here so read on i guess

5.33. Legality of foreign divorces
Visa officers may need to look closely at foreign divorces to determine if sponsors or applicants
were, or are, legally free to marry again. The fact that a marriage licence was issued, or that a
couple has remarried, is not proof that a divorce was legal where it occurred, or that it would be
recognized as legally valid in Canada.
A foreign divorce is without effect if it was obtained by fraud or by denial of natural justice.
The federal Divorce Act of 1985 governs the recognition of foreign divorces. It specifically
provides for the recognition of foreign divorces where the divorce was granted after February 13,
1986. These divorces are valid in Canada if either spouse was ordinarily resident in the foreign
jurisdiction for one year immediately preceding the application for the divorce.
The Divorce Act also preserves common-law rules respecting recognition of foreign divorces. For
example, Canadian courts may recognize foreign divorces when:
• they are issued from a court in a country where neither spouse was ordinarily resident, but
where the decree is recognized by the law of that country (other than Canada) where one or
both were ordinarily resident at the time of the divorce. For example, a party living in
California obtains a divorce in Nevada. If California recognizes the Nevada divorce, it is valid
in Canada.
• either party can show that they had a “real and substantial connection” with the foreign
jurisdiction at the time of the divorce. Factors that might indicate whether there was a real and
substantial connection would be whether an individual was born in that country, had family
there, and regularly travelled there to spend time in the jurisdiction. This could be
strengthened further if the individual owned property or conducted business in the jurisdiction.
These factors are relevant because they indicate whether the court in that other country had
the proper jurisdiction to hear the divorce when neither of the parties was ordinarily residing
there for a year preceding the divorce action. If the real and substantial connection is made,
and that party obtains a legal divorce in that country, it is valid in Canada.
It is also possible that a divorce, issued by a court in a country where neither spouse was
ordinarily resident but that is recognized by a second country (other than Canada) where one or
both can show that they had a real and substantial connection to that second country at the time
of the divorce, would be valid in Canada. For example, a party now ordinarily resident in Canada
obtains a divorce in Nevada but was born in California, still has family there, and regularly travels
there to spend significant amounts of time, maintaining a cottage that they inherited. If California
legally recognizes the Nevada divorce, it may be valid in Canada, although it may be necessary to
seek legal advice from NHQ.
 

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iarblue said:
I got it from the canadian government web page i just typed in divorce for forigners,i would have pasted it but its three pages long.But bobs wife just posted a link for it.
questioning if the marriage was actually performed in another country and now both parties live in Canada, so no one that married out of the country would be able to divorce without going back to the country the marriage was performed for one year....highly unlikely!
 
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It might be highly unlikely but it is nessessary.Or they get divorced in Canada.Read above it states it over and over that proceeding the divorce in the other country they must be residents for one year.Or it is not recgonized.
 

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iarblue said:
It might be highly unlikely but it is nessessary.Or they get divorced in Canada.Read above it states it over and over that proceeding the divorce in the other country they must be residents for one year.Or it is not recgonized.
either party can show that they had a “real and substantial connection” with the foreign
jurisdiction at the time of the divorce. Factors that might indicate whether there was a real and
substantial connection would be whether an individual was born in that country, had family
there,
and regularly travelled there to spend time in the jurisdiction.

my confusion is i have a friend who is a new PR, he's been in Canada for one year, he wants to get a divorce has seen three different lawyers in the GTA and they all say the divorce has to be performed in the Country the marriage took place...something is not right there is no way he would have to go back for one year, but obviously he wcould say he got married there and his family lives there making it "real and substantial connection
 
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Yes thats what i was saying about conflicting statements everywhere it says that one has to be a resident for one year then the next says that statement,so take it as you will i guess that was copied right from their site.
So yes the way i read it is just that Lois it is obvious from there OP2 document that if they have family there or if they were born there or they travel back and forth then they are entittled to get divorced there.
But the statement right above says they can get divorced in their own contry will only be valid in Canada if a Canadian court finds it legal.

Canadian courts may recognize foreign divorces when:

See it still has to be deemed a divorce through the canadian courts.
 

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There is still confusion in my mind.

If Canada would recognize a divorce of residents who lived in California at the time of marriage, but who obtained a divorce in Nevada (a different legal jurisdiction), then why wouldn't Canada recognize a divorce between two residents who were married in a different country, and one returned to obtain a divorce?

Woudl the Canadian Court be required to rule on this latter case but not the former?

And why does the Operating Manual caution the OP to be careful in determining the legitimacy of a foreign divorce? If the Canadian Courts were required to pass judgment on the divorce, the OP would sinply accept the verdict -- no need for care in determining anything.
 

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toby said:
And why does the Operating Manual caution the OP to be careful in determining the legitimacy of a foreign divorce? If the Canadian Courts were required to pass judgment on the divorce, the OP would sinply accept the verdict -- no need for care in determining anything.
In many cases where people get divorced in a foreign country, the matter never comes to the attention of the Canadian courts. If one of these divorced people then make an application to sponsor someone, all of a sudden the legality of the divorce in Canada comes into question, and the visa officer has to decide.

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=marriage%2Bof%2Bconvenience+divorce+ecuador&language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/ca/irb/doc/2009/2009canlii68430/2009canlii68430.html

Look at this sponsorship case. Even though the sponsor was from Ecuador, had family there, and went back frequently, the appeal court still determined that the divorce he obtained there from a Canadian was not valid, because neither he nor the wife had a real or substantial connection to Ecuador at the time. He was resident in Canada at the time.
 

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canadianwoman said:
Look at this sponsorship case. Even though the sponsor was from Ecuador, had family there, and went back frequently, the appeal court still determined that the divorce he obtained there from a Canadian was not valid, because neither he nor the wife had a real or substantial connection to Ecuador at the time. He was resident in Canada at the time.
Interesting! Thanks.

What happens where the spouses are residents of Canada, decide to divorce, one moves back to the mother country, and then he/she gets a divorce in the mother country? Does Canada recognize that divorce, if the spouse remaining in Canada should then seek to sponsor someone else?
 

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Toby said:
What happens where the spouses are residents of Canada, decide to divorce, one moves back to the mother country, and then he/she gets a divorce in the mother country? Does Canada recognize that divorce, if the spouse remaining in Canada should then seek to sponsor someone else?
Canada would recognize it if the one spouse was resident in the mother country for a year prior to the divorce; it might recognize it if he/she had been living there for less time.
If I were sponsoring someone else after a divorce, though, I would get a divorce in Canada just to make sure it was legal. To go through all the trouble, time, and expense of a sponsorship, only to have it rejected because my divorce wasn't recognized! No thank you.
The courts are also concerned with fairness - if the spouses 'decide to divorce', and do so in their mother country, probably OK. But what often happens is the couple doesn't decide to divorce; instead, the sponsor runs off to another country and gets a quickie divorce to evade his/her responsibilities, leaving the sponsored spouse high and dry in Canada with no support. Or, as in the Ecuadorian case cited, if seems as if some of the marriages and divorces involved are ones of convenience, probably done as part of an immigration fraud. In these kinds of cases I would expect any subsequent sponsorship to be closely questioned, most llikely refused, and the appeal court to question the legality of the divorce in Canada.
 

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Good points.

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u should have thought of this b4 u married her. U have to take care of her for 3 years too, food shelter and clothing, and if she gets into debt it means government is after u with liens and seizure,,,, you married her, now be with her,,,
 
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But the whole point was you were wondering if she would get half of everything,well its only what you have accumulated after the marriage but if you sell the house she will get half of the profits,unless you have an amazing lawyer that can convince the courts she should get less.
But yes she gets half of all profits.Sorry thats the law here,and going to pakistan has no bearing the house is in Canada and she is still entitled to half.
 

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This has nothing to do with the original post but someone mentioned about someone getting married in California and then divorcing in Nevada. And being legally recognized.

Each State in the US has there own divorce laws. For example there are community property States, no-fault divorce. Divorce because of impotency (of the man no less), adultery, insanity, etc. Some State say split assets 50/50. Other say what is fair. Then there are issues with children, and income etc.
Ironically most people file for no-fault, which removes the burden of proof, as it is well known that it takes two marry, and two to fight.

The point I wanted to make is that each US State has their own residency requirements. 60, 90, 180, 360 days etc.

The purpose of this is so that someone for California who does not like the California divorce laws could not easily take up residency in another State that is more favorable to them.
 
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peace87 said:
My wife arrived in canada about 5 months ago from pakistan and things have not been faring well between us ever since. i own the house in which we lived together for 5 months. i want to know what would be the least expensive way for me to divorce her without giving her absolutely everything i own. i understand that i am responsible for her for 3 years- what does the law state regarding division of property etc, given that i am the only earning member in this case.

also, wouldnt it be better for me if i divorced her in pakistan and sold my property here in canada so she cannot claim it.

please advise..





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