Guys , please stop terrorising the lady. How can you judge her if you don't know all the details. Do you know why she had to go there and leave Canada? of course no. Also it's her personal life and she is free to handle it the way she thinks it's right for her. where she stayed, how long and why is not our business. She stated the facts so whoever can help is welcome to do so and whoever cannot can still help...by shutting their mouth.
Did not declare my 3rd child even though we were Permanent Residents of Canada.
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The OP will need to talk to the Canadian Consulate or Embassy to verify and to find out about sponsoring her last child for PR.
Yes, it would probably be easier if she or her husband had declared the birth of their third child in 2002.
However, I don't believe this child is barred from coming to Canada. My understanding is that the bar applies to children (and in at least one case a pregnancy) that are not declared before landing as a PR. The child was born years after the OP received her PR.
I would encourage other posters to keep in mind that they are talking to someone in an active war zone and have some amount of human compassion.
To help_canada: If you have trouble with the consulate and would like to contact a refugee/immigration/citizenship lawyer in Canada, you can send me a private message for a recommendation. But you need to do your part first and contact the consulate to ask about sponsoring your child for PR or for a facilitation visa. You are a Canadian citizen and the consulate is there to help you.
Yes, it would probably be easier if she or her husband had declared the birth of their third child in 2002.
However, I don't believe this child is barred from coming to Canada. My understanding is that the bar applies to children (and in at least one case a pregnancy) that are not declared before landing as a PR. The child was born years after the OP received her PR.
I would encourage other posters to keep in mind that they are talking to someone in an active war zone and have some amount of human compassion.
To help_canada: If you have trouble with the consulate and would like to contact a refugee/immigration/citizenship lawyer in Canada, you can send me a private message for a recommendation. But you need to do your part first and contact the consulate to ask about sponsoring your child for PR or for a facilitation visa. You are a Canadian citizen and the consulate is there to help you.
Thank you for your help. I know that some people are angry at me but we did stay in Canada more than the required time and it was a premature birth for my son. I will try my best with the resources I have.
Thank you once again all of you for your expert guidance.
Thank you once again all of you for your expert guidance.
Hi,help_canada said:
A lot of suggestions have been dispensed. Mine come with a little knowledge but here I go anyway - Simply put 3 out of four individuals in the family have citizenship. First of all, I would request that you do two things - get a lawyers input and contact Canadian Embassy. Explain your situation to them they will be able to guide you what to do next.
If I were you, I would look into - coming to Canada with my family - bring my boy on a visitor Visa and then take the next step from here. I don’t see any issue with that.
Good luck!
Sounds easy but unfortunately it is not. How can a Canadian citizen bring his/her own son as a visitor to Canada and then send him back. The visa will be denied. I remember my brother who is a citizen got married overseas and applied for a visitor visa for his wife. It was declined.desigirltoronto84 said:
The child is a Canadian citizen by decent. Not sure why everyone is advising her to get a visitor or immigrant visa for the child? Just because the child was not included in the citizen application it does not mean he/she loses his/her right of citizenship. The parents erred, or rather misrepresented, by not including the child in the application. This may cause them trouble. Best way to go about it now is to contact the Canadian embassy in Beirut or Amman and request passport for the child. They will tell you what they will need from you. You may get lucky and they ask for nothing or you might be questioned. If at any point you feel there will be obstacles then contact a lawyer.
I think there is a difference between Not including a child in the citizenship application if the parents are not willing to apply for him at that time and Not notifying Cic of a new born while your citizenship application is in process. One question they ask everybody on interview day is about how many children they have.CanV said:
As a reminder, we sign a declaration to notify cic if any information( marital status.....) in the form changes before taking the oath.
Bottom ligne, not notifying CIC of a new born is a mistake that could have been avoided. How big/serious it is? I can t tell. Depending on the mother's circumstances, she may have a good reason for not doing so.
You are absolutely right, and I too believe it is big misrepresentation, one that the parents might get in trouble for, including possible jail time. However, this still in no way disqualifies the child from obtaining a Canadian passport as he is a citizen by decent, it is his right.Goldline said:
I think, and I may be wrong, "citizen by decent"apply to someone born to a Canadian citizen years or at least months after the parent became a citizen. If I become Canadian citizen in 2014 and in 2018 I father a child somewhere else in the world I can just apply for a prove of citizenship for him and bring him over to Canada.CanV said:
This is from CIC website:
You are probably a Canadian citizen if…
•you were born in Canada,
•you applied for and received your Canadian citizenship (this is called becoming a naturalized citizen),
•you received Canadian citizenship as a minor when a parent or legal guardian naturalized you by applying for your citizenship,
•you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, and at least one of your parents was born in Canada,
•you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, and at least one of your parents was naturalized in Canada before your birth.
More details here:http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/index.asp
You are probably a Canadian citizen if…
•you were born in Canada,
•you applied for and received your Canadian citizenship (this is called becoming a naturalized citizen),
•you received Canadian citizenship as a minor when a parent or legal guardian naturalized you by applying for your citizenship,
•you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, and at least one of your parents was born in Canada,
•you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, and at least one of your parents was naturalized in Canada before your birth.
More details here:http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/index.asp
You have a point about visitor visa being short term. But it is easily renewable. In addition to that, she can apply for citizenship for the boy after she gets here. Even if the citizehship doesnt arrive she will at least be six months into the process.Goldline said:
Was it declined because your brother was a Canadian citizen? Did they explain why it was declined?
That's just seem a strange reason to decline a visa. They have already given permission to one of the partner to stay in Canada - why would they stop their dependent from coming to Canada. It's just counter intuitive.
When it comes to citizenship laws, and thats not just Canada, citizenship is normally acquired by one or more of the following:
1 - You are a born in a country that grants citizenship to people born in it.
2 - One of your parents passes his/her citizenship to you.
3 - You are naturalized after meeting certain requirements.
4 - One of your parents is naturalized and you become a citizen at the same time of your parent.
Number 4 is why you REALLY shouldn't lie about having a child because the dependent child becomes a citizen as soon as you are naturalized. I strongly think this is a right for the child. But I too could be wrong. The OP has put herself in a very bad situation. I doubt there are many cases like hers and if there is then my guess it would be intentional and the parents do not want the child to ever become a citizen. But to do what the OP did and think one day they will want the child to go to Canada and be a citizen, the parents are asking for trouble, not to the child, to themselves.
1 - You are a born in a country that grants citizenship to people born in it.
2 - One of your parents passes his/her citizenship to you.
3 - You are naturalized after meeting certain requirements.
4 - One of your parents is naturalized and you become a citizen at the same time of your parent.
Number 4 is why you REALLY shouldn't lie about having a child because the dependent child becomes a citizen as soon as you are naturalized. I strongly think this is a right for the child. But I too could be wrong. The OP has put herself in a very bad situation. I doubt there are many cases like hers and if there is then my guess it would be intentional and the parents do not want the child to ever become a citizen. But to do what the OP did and think one day they will want the child to go to Canada and be a citizen, the parents are asking for trouble, not to the child, to themselves.
From what I understand the parents were naturalized after the child's birth. I dont think this would be listed there because no one does it and it's something you aren't allowed to do from the first place. Thats why you really shouldnt lie about it.Goldline said:
Sorry that was not my point. What I meant is that it does not make sense to the Canadian embassy officials that a parent would apply for a temporary visa for their child while they are in a position to sponsor him and get him permanently to Canada. They see that the parent is trying to take a short cut and they don't understand why. They suspect something is not right so they refuse the visa. If he's your child why don't you sponsor him???????desigirltoronto84 said:
Same thing happens when a recently married Canadian tries to apply for a visitor visa for his partner. You have the right to sponsor your partner and get him to live with you permanently in Canada but instead of doing that you just apply for a short term visa for them. This sounds like a fake marriage and you just want to get that person to Canada with less hassel and less cost. That's what they think and I'm with them because it makes sense.
We don't judge person from nowhere... and for her family it might be their better choice to give birth to the little one in UAE back in 2002, perhaps their relatives were there or for other family convenience, it is freedom, as long as residency was met...
This case makes me think that if one does live 3 years out of 4 years, and leaves Canada right after his/her application, would a declaration of new born child overseas before taking the oath decrease the chance of getting citizenship approved? Documentation shows family is overseas anyway after the application... If not, why not declare?
This case makes me think that if one does live 3 years out of 4 years, and leaves Canada right after his/her application, would a declaration of new born child overseas before taking the oath decrease the chance of getting citizenship approved? Documentation shows family is overseas anyway after the application... If not, why not declare?