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Did anyone watch the documentary on Marriage Fraud last night on CBC news?

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I'm happy the documentary has generated so much debate! And I've learned some things from all of the opinions, even if I don't agree with them. :p

Somebody pointed out that the it makes it look like marriage fraud is much more common than it is. I AGREE! If you read my previous posts in the thread you will see that actual stats. To briefly recap, 5% of sponsors report marriage fraud. Based on 2009 stats, this would mean approximately 2000 cases of marriage fraud and 35,000 genuine relationships.

When I agreed to be a part of this documentary, my whole reason was to show the suffering of couples who are waiting an extraordinary amount of time to be together with no communication from CIC and how emotionally and even financially stressful that is on those relationships. The filmmaker, in the original version, DID keep that in the film BUT CBC wanted it editted out. So SIX edits later, this is the film everyone saw and it's pretty good but does not show everything I hoped for. Oh well, I didn't pay to get it made. But this is a media game and marriage fraud is a hot, political topic right now. If you were trying to make money and generate contraversy, I guess you would focus on the "dramatic" aspect as well but it doesn't tell the FULL story of sponsorship.

Somebody else commented that for them, if they looked at their partner and thought something like marriage fraud was a possibility then they probably wouldn't get married. I disagree with that but that's probably based on who I am and how I think. I look at best AND worst case scenarios in everything I do because I feel like I must know the risks vs. rewards to make an informed decision. I have a child to consider as well so any decision I make affects him. I owe it to him to look at all the possibilities, good and bad. And I was studying immigration law at the time so I HAD to think about it. But I appreciate that each of us makes our decisions in different ways. And over-analyzing like I do is not best for everyone (even me at times).

So finally, since I put it out there in a documentary, I will clear up some facts. I am 13 years older than my husband. I know that if the ages were reversed, nobody would raise an eyebrow. He landed over a year ago in Canada and we are happily married. I did NOT meet him on the internet and we were together for 1 year before we decided to get married. When we met I was NOT looking for a husband or even a DATE! We got to know each other through another couple of friends and it just happened very unexpectedly and slowly. I was fortunate in that the work I was doing at the time required me to travel to his country and allowed me to spend a lot of time with him and his family and take my son there to visit and meet them as well. It took a year after applying to sponsor him for a decision to be made on our application. We both agree it was the hardest year of our lives. I am still on this forum to help others who suffer from the separation and give accurate information so they don't make mistakes (like I did) that can lead to longer than necessary wait times, refusals, etc. My work focuses on the same thing. I've been in your shoes and I know exactly how it feels. My husband had a happy life in his country and leaving was beyond difficult but he gave up everything he knew to be with me. He doesn't view Canada as a "prize". His life was "easier" in his home country where he only worked one job instead of the two he works now but loves that Canada offers more opportunities and possibilities if you choose to go after them.

And finally, after he just read everything I wrote, he wants you all to know that if he was only marrying someone to get into Canada, he would have chosen a much easier wife than me! He's never seen any woman work as hard or study as hard as I do and still wonders why letting him "take care of me" is NOT appealing to me in the least. He would appreciate your advice on how to get me to slow down and maybe not care so much. He's cheeky, eh? :p
 

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rjessome, I just want to thank you for both of you sharing your story with all of us. I don't know about anyone else but it helped me see how love can look from other parts of the world. Love is a truly wonderful and beautiful thing.

How did your hubby feel about being on TV and did it make him mess home any? Glad that you both are still together and going strong. I love happy endings. ;D
 

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does anyone know what the nasheed or song is called being sung at 27:56 ? I would really appreciate it I think it sounds so beautiful.. thank you in advance!
 

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I googled a few of the words.. its called "Dawud Wharnsby - Sing children of the world" I really like this song.
 

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rjessome your the lady with the black hair who married the Moroccan? :D Woohoo! I was rooting for you two as I thought your relationship looked genuine. It sounded like your husband genuinely loved you from the film, you could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice. By the way you two make a cute couple and your gorgeous. I'm happy things worked out well for you.
 

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rjessome said:
And finally, after he just read everything I wrote, he wants you all to know that if he was only marrying someone to get into Canada, he would have chosen a much easier wife than me! He's never seen any woman work as hard or study as hard as I do and still wonders why letting him "take care of me" is NOT appealing to me in the least. He would appreciate your advice on how to get me to slow down and maybe not care so much. He's cheeky, eh? :p
TOO Funny!

They could have done the documentary better justice by making it longer and showing more, but it was still very fascinating.

Do you know how the other lady (the red head) has made out? Is she still married and did she convert to Islam?

:D
 

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If the sponsor is abusive, why do you need to deport? The abused partner will have no reason to stay in Canada again. He or she will be more than willing to leave. Right?
It depends. For example let's say after a year I found out my wife was cheating on me, (I'm a fairly big guy so I'm not to worried about being abused...), by that time I may well have a good job, friends and a life I want to continue in Canada why should I leave because they were doing me wrong?

For other people it may be a matter of money, (they can't afford to move back to their original country), or they may have burned their bridges by moving in the first place. If the Canadian partner is the one doing wrong then the person should have the option of staying or returning to their home country.
 

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JimM said:
It depends. For example let's say after a year I found out my wife was cheating on me, (I'm a fairly big guy so I'm not to worried about being abused...), by that time I may well have a good job, friends and a life I want to continue in Canada why should I leave because they were doing me wrong?
It's simple.. if you're not Canadian, why should Canada worry about you?

For other people it may be a matter of money, (they can't afford to move back to their original country), or they may have burned their bridges by moving in the first place. If the Canadian partner is the one doing wrong then the person should have the option of staying or returning to their home country.
It would be fair to have to "reapply" for a different type of visa (like a skilled worker one), maybe the fact that you're already settled/working in Canada would give out a lot of points as a help.
The fact that you would be already in Canada and being able to work while waiting out this process would make things simple, and could be a big advantage, if you're trully interested to stay in this country.
 

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It's simple.. if you're not Canadian, why should Canada worry about you?

It would be fair to have to "reapply" for a different type of visa (like a skilled worker one), maybe the fact that you're already settled/working in Canada would give out a lot of points as a help.
The fact that you would be already in Canada and being able to work while waiting out this process would make things simple, and could be a big advantage, if you're trully interested to stay in this country.
Excuse me:

As far as I can remember: Canada was originally the land for Aboriginals ..First Nation.. Inuits...Red Indians. Apart from those, everyone is an immigrant...REGARDLESS where they come from.


As far as I remember, women are also abused by local men. They fall in love, they sleep together, they marry and then cheat and divorce. Too many are living and struggling as single moms. So no one is perfect..this is my idea. The example is the EX of my wife. He was the sponsor. He abused her and our daughter in a brutal manner. He is the one who should have been deported to where his ancestors came from or to the North Pole, with white bears
 

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Oil Sand Guy said:
Excuse me:

As far as I can remember: Canada was originally the land for Aboriginals ..First Nation.. Inuits...Red Indians. Apart from those, everyone is an immigrant...REGARDLESS where they come from.


As far as I remember, women are also abused by local men. They fall in love, they sleep together, they marry and then cheat and divorce. Too many are living and struggling as single moms. So no one is perfect..this is my idea. The example is the EX of my wife. He was the sponsor. He abused her and our daughter in a brutal manner. He is the one who should have been deported to where his ancestors came from or to the North Pole, with white bears
Let's not be misguided. I understand that everyone's old ancestors are immigrants (nomads). But let's look at the world we're dealing with today.
Every nation is supposed to look after their own nationals first, no matter what. Immigration has been a way for Canada to bring educated immigrants who have helped this country grow and be what it is today. They kindly opened a family class for those nationals who have decided to make a family with a foreigner, or to bring their old family from abroad. But if the family link is broken, I don't see why Canada should shelter these foreigners. I have seen that this country has enough problems to deal with, and they're still lending a hand with the whole refugee act.

As horrible as the person that you mentioned was, he was still a Canadian, and as far as I know every country looks after their own people's interests first. That's the way countries work. I don't know much about deportation laws but I guess a Canadian would have to do something extremely big against their country to get to that point. A Canadian criminal, in the worst scenario, is still a Canadian.

Sorry if anyone doesn't like my post. I stopped caring about karma a long time ago.
 

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Let's not be misguided. I understand that everyone's old ancestors are immigrants (nomads). But let's look at the world we're dealing with today.
Every nation is supposed to look after their own nationals first, no matter what. Immigration has been a way for Canada to bring educated immigrants who have helped this country grow and be what it is today. They kindly opened a family class for those nationals who have decided to make a family with a foreigner, or to bring their old family from abroad. But if the family link is broken, I don't see why Canada should shelter these foreigners. I have seen that this country has enough problems to deal with, and they're still lending a hand with the whole refugee act.

As horrible as the person that you mentioned was, he was still a Canadian, and as far as I know every country looks after their own people's interests first. That's the way countries work. I don't know much about deportation laws but I guess a Canadian would have to do something extremely big against their country to get to that point. A Canadian criminal, in the worst scenario, is still a Canadian.

Sorry if anyone doesn't like my post. I stopped caring about karma a long time ago.

So a Canadian criminal is a better person than any immigrant? I think you'll be more at home on a Klan website
 

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JimM said:
So a Canadian criminal is a better person than any immigrant? I think you'll be more at home on a Klan website
Learn to read. I did not say that. And I have no idea what you mean by that "Klan website", nor am I interested in knowing.
 

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bonbon9 said:
It's simple.. if you're not Canadian, why should Canada worry about you?

It would be fair to have to "reapply" for a different type of visa (like a skilled worker one), maybe the fact that you're already settled/working in Canada would give out a lot of points as a help.
The fact that you would be already in Canada and being able to work while waiting out this process would make things simple, and could be a big advantage, if you're trully interested to stay in this country.
How nice of you to quote me out of context, let's look at what was said

Quote from: Alabaman on November 19, 2010, 06:19:49 pm
If the sponsor is abusive, why do you need to deport? The abused partner will have no reason to stay in Canada again. He or she will be more than willing to leave. Right?

It depends. For example let's say after a year I found out my wife was cheating on me, (I'm a fairly big guy so I'm not to worried about being abused...), by that time I may well have a good job, friends and a life I want to continue in Canada why should I leave because they were doing me wrong?
Notice I was responding to the comment about the person wanting to leave Canada... But unless you twisted my words you couldn't make your half assed "point" could you? But what should else should I expect from a bigoted troll?
 

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JimM said:
How nice of you to quote me out of context, let's look at what was said

Notice I was responding to the comment about the person wanting to leave Canada... But unless you twisted my words you couldn't make your half assed "point" could you? But what should else should I expect from a bigoted troll?
Whatever, troll.