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lakshmi123

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Hi @legalfalcon ,

Looking for your help in this as not sure if our application is not reviewed by officer for any of the below reasons.

> During R10 check, it was mentioned that Canada RCMP Police certificate : Review Required and R10 OK as the check was done on19th Jan but we gave biometrics on 20th Jan. When we looked GCMS notes, RCMP request is cancelled.
> When the application was reviewed by Case Analyst, it was mentioned that review required as the company that we had worked before was acquired by another company. Analyst mentioned as 'Review Required' and also mentioned that when they checked in web they verified the information. Finally they updated eligibility as 'Recommend Pass'
Its been more than 6 months after AOR but no update on application. Could you suggest if you think it is better if we give RCMP Canada and LOE to explain that the company was acquired even eligibility is 'Recommend Passed'.
Please provide your suggestions on this.
 
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asodhi

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btw, did your rcmp request say:
We have begun processing your application for permanent residence, and in order to make a decision we require the following information/documents:

i had the same rcmp request on apr23 and submitted it on may 18. my eligbility is pass but still criminality pending as of last week. similar to you i suppose. so your GU hopefully means that they finally passed your criminality btw.
Yes , That's what the RCMP request had mentioned which I thought was generic. As soon I had uploaded the RCMP on April 8th, the status had changed to Not applicable and since then it remain in the same status.
 

amairena95

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Yes , That's what the RCMP request had mentioned which I thought was generic. As soon I had uploaded the RCMP on April 8th, the status had changed to Not applicable and since then it remain in the same status.
yea ive seen some others get ADR that say 'in order to continue processing'.. so it seems theres a bit of change in the wording depending on stages (its all speculation, but it seems to be).
yea similar to you, as soon as i uploaded my RCMP cert on may18th it changed to NA and shortly after i got an email saying they received it ok. so i guess im about one month behind lol (call centre agent told me last week that everything is passed including eligibility, just that criminality is pending).
anyways, i hope you get the golden email soon!
 
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I called our MP’s office today and told about CEC applicants getting their PRs in 2-3 months while we are waiting for over 200 days as FSW inland applicants. They told me it’s not realistic that a PR application can be processed in such a short time. I explained there are many of them announcing their quick PRs on online forums and communities and the reply was: “it’s up to you to believe your MP’s office or some random people on online forums but it’s impossible to get PR in 2-3 months”. They just implied all CEC applicants who announce to get their PRs in 2-3 months are liars, haha
 

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Hi @legalfalcon ,

Looking for your help in this as not sure if our application is not reviewed by officer for any of the below reasons.

> During R10 check, it was mentioned that Canada RCMP Police certificate : Review Required and R10 OK as the check was done on19th Jan but we gave biometrics on 20th Jan. When we looked GCMS notes, RCMP request is cancelled.
> When the application was reviewed by Case Analyst, it was mentioned that review required as the company that we had worked before was acquired by another company. Analyst mentioned as 'Review Required' and also mentioned that when they checked in web they verified the information. Finally they updated eligibility as 'Recommend Pass'
Its been more than 6 months after AOR but no update on application. Could you suggest if you think it is better if we give RCMP Canada and LOE to explain that the company was acquired even eligibility is 'Recommend Passed'.
Please provide your suggestions on this.
The average processing time is 8-9 months.

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.
 
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Hello All,

ITA - Oct 15 2020
AOR - Dec 17 2020

I have given my biometrics but it hasn't been updated in the application yet. Medical has been done and updated too. When the progress bar was available in the CIC portal it showed me the estimated completion date as June 17th 2021 but I haven't received any communication yet. Kindly advice if there is anything I could do to speed up the process or tell me if anyone has received their COPR with the similar time frame as mine. I'm from India.

Much appreciated.
 

amairena95

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Hello All,

ITA - Oct 15 2020
AOR - Dec 17 2020

I have given my biometrics but it hasn't been updated in the application yet. Medical has been done and updated too. When the progress bar was available in the CIC portal it showed me the estimated completion date as June 17th 2021 but I haven't received any communication yet. Kindly advice if there is anything I could do to speed up the process or tell me if anyone has received their COPR with the similar time frame as mine. I'm from India.

Much appreciated.
whats your program? CEC (inland/outland)? FSW? PNP?
 

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I called our MP’s office today and told about CEC applicants getting their PRs in 2-3 months while we are waiting for over 200 days as FSW inland applicants. They told me it’s not realistic that a PR application can be processed in such a short time. I explained there are many of them announcing their quick PRs on online forums and communities and the reply was: “it’s up to you to believe your MP’s office or some random people on online forums but it’s impossible to get PR in 2-3 months”. They just implied all CEC applicants who announce to get their PRs in 2-3 months are liars, haha
That’s a shame. I feel like fainting every day because of this bullshit!
 

Purpleyam

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I called our MP’s office today and told about CEC applicants getting their PRs in 2-3 months while we are waiting for over 200 days as FSW inland applicants. They told me it’s not realistic that a PR application can be processed in such a short time. I explained there are many of them announcing their quick PRs on online forums and communities and the reply was: “it’s up to you to believe your MP’s office or some random people on online forums but it’s impossible to get PR in 2-3 months”. They just implied all CEC applicants who announce to get their PRs in 2-3 months are liars, haha
Even within CEC there is a lot of disparity, people who have been waiting (Oct, NOV and Dec AoRs)and a lot of Feb, March and April 2021 applicants who have already received COPRs. I don't understand the sequence of processing, backlogging would make sense but then jumps to 2-3 months processing times while CiC website says processing Aug 2020 applications. Its confusing!
 
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amairena95

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Even within CEC there is a lot of disparity, people who have been waiting (Oct, NOV and Dec AoRs)and a lot of Feb, March and April 2021 applicants who have already received COPRs. I don't understand the sequence of processing, backlogged would make sense but then jumps to 2-3 months processing times while CiC website says processing Aug 2020 applications. Its confusing!
a logical explanation that i tell myself to well, calm myself down while i wait, is that those feb, march and apr cec invites have much lower crs cut-offs. so theyre a lot easier to pass as even if theres stuff that cant be verified or has to be removed, they probably still have enough crs points to pass eligibility without going with extensive reviews (or review required).
so if they can quickly verify atleast the one year of work exp (which is easy to verify if you have a job from a legit company and submitted tax returns and paychecks) and noc code matches, its easy to pass it without looking too much into foreign experience that some ppl have or their education (from anywhere)
 

Purpleyam

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a logical explanation that i tell myself to well, calm myself down while i wait, is that those feb, march and apr cec invites have much lower crs cut-offs. so theyre a lot easier to pass as even if theres stuff that cant be verified or has to be removed, they probably still have enough crs points to pass eligibility without going with extensive reviews (or review required).
so if they can quickly verify atleast the one year of work exp (which is easy to verify if you have a job from a legit company and submitted tax returns and paychecks) and noc code matches, its easy to pass it without looking too much into foreign experience that some ppl have or their education (from anywhere)
I like the positive spin you put on it. But unfortunately, the CRS score doesn't seem to be that low, 470-540, with outliers of course. Its hard to assume that all those are simple applications, some with multiple dependents that i have noticed. Although it does make sense to rationalize it somehow but unfortunately there is no clear explanation, other than the fact that the randomness is probably related to the case officer your file ends up with.
 
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amairena95

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I like the positive spin you put on it. But unfortunately, the CRS score doesn't seem to be that low, 470-540, with outliers of course. Its hard to assume that all those are simple applications, some with multiple dependents that i have noticed. Although it does make sense to rationalize it somehow but unfortunately there is no clear explanation, other than the fact that the randomness is probably related to the case officer your file ends up with.
well remember the famous february draw that had a crs cut off of just 75 points and sooo many were invited? what i mean is that those are quicker to approve as all that matters is a single year of exp in canada and nothing else. of course if they have families it will take longer for background checks. but if youre a single applicant part of that 75pts draw, no need to even verify education as they can take that away and youd still have over 75pts.
the latest crs score for today was around 370, and theres been others in the low 300s. so again, if you forget to attach your degree diploma? doesnt matter, you probably still have above the cutoff. cant verify foreign work exp? doesnt matter, still probably have above the cut off. so thats why it might be easier.

its all speculation of course, but helps me calm down a bit.
i say this in a very similar situation as you with all passed as of last week (eligibility,security), but with criminality pending (submitted rcmp report last month)
 
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Purpleyam

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well remember the famous february draw that had a crs cut off of just 75 points and sooo many were invited? what i mean is that those are quicker to approve as all that matters is a single year of exp in canada and nothing else. of course if they have families it will take longer for background checks. but if youre a single applicant part of that 75pts draw, no need to even verify education as they can take that away and youd still have over 75pts.
the latest crs score for today was around 370, and theres been others in the low 300s. so again, if you forget to attach your degree diploma? doesnt matter, you probably still have above the cutoff. cant verify foreign work exp? doesnt matter, still probably have above the cut off. so thats why it might be easier.

its all speculation of course, but helps me calm down a bit.
i say this in a very similar situation as you with all passed as of last week (eligibility,security), but with criminality pending (submitted rcmp report last month)
I get what you are trying to say about low CRS scores, I'm saying from the following link tracking CEC applicants
https://myimmitracker.com/en/ca/trackers/cec-e-apr-tracker-express-entry-permanent-residency-application/fullscreen
if you were to filter for PPR dates and look at the CRS scores most of them are above 450 atleast the Feb, Mar and Apr cohort that we are talking about. Although, what you may be saying could be true the list says otherwise. But as we agreed who actually knows, the exact nature of the beast!
 
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I get what you are trying to say about low CRS scores, I'm saying from the following link tracking CEC applicants
https://myimmitracker.com/en/ca/trackers/cec-e-apr-tracker-express-entry-permanent-residency-application/fullscreen
if you were to filter for PPR dates and look at the CRS scores most of them are above 450 atleast the Feb, Mar and Apr cohort that we are talking about. Although, what you may be saying could be true the list says otherwise. But as we agreed who actually knows, the exact nature of the beast!
yea but thats sort of the point. those with crs scores of 450 in those draws of 350 or less, it doesnt matter if they can verify a job offer (remove 50 points) or cant verify education (remove idk 50 points maybe) theyd still be approved. but yea at the end, its all random, and anoyying. here's hoping we get ours soon!!
 

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I called our MP’s office today and told about CEC applicants getting their PRs in 2-3 months while we are waiting for over 200 days as FSW inland applicants. They told me it’s not realistic that a PR application can be processed in such a short time. I explained there are many of them announcing their quick PRs on online forums and communities and the reply was: “it’s up to you to believe your MP’s office or some random people on online forums but it’s impossible to get PR in 2-3 months”. They just implied all CEC applicants who announce to get their PRs in 2-3 months are liars, haha
I also saw many claim to get their copr (even in 9 weeks). Why would they lie though....