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[USProgrammer]

hello all, got PPR email today, timelines please refer my signature All the best to other get the PR soon

Congrats!

 

[dec12aor]

@ immigration_guru @legalfalcon,

I just got my notes and I see that review required for stats questions what’s does this mean?

And I’m a PNP inland applicant with full time job..do I still need to show POF? I’m confused please help me.

Thanks In advance!!

 

[derkdsou]

@tintu1717 @chappque @MIP2510 @Nav sohal @Sidharth.299 @amandymca @yuchendl @PRAHADEESH - wow, so much activity! Congratulations to all of you on your PPR, and thank for sharing words of encouragement to keep the rest of us going! (Sorry if I've missed anyone - not intentional!)

That is just a reminder by PA to officers that you have attached a LOE and needs to be looked at.

@GenDent, I support this -- "client information" stands for the section of the application where one uploads their LOE. I wouldn't worry too much about this, it is usually a routine statement made by the (junior) case analyst to his/her superior to take another look at the LOE.

 

[legalfalcon]

@ immigration_guru @legalfalcon,

I just got my notes and I see that review required for stats questions what’s does this mean?

And I’m a PNP inland applicant with full time job..do I still need to show POF? I’m confused please help me.

Thanks In advance!!

In your case, the RR for statutory questions is if you have answered yes to any prior visa rejection. If you did answer yes, it is a way of flagging it out to the immigration officer to review it before your eligibility is promoted as passed.

No, you do not need to show PoF if:

1. you are in Canada with a authorisation to work, and
2. Have a job or offer of employment.

To generally understand RR, see:

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.

 

[dec12aor]

In your case, the RR for statutory questions is if you have answered yes to any prior visa rejection. If you did answer yes, it is a way of flagging it out to the immigration officer to review it before your eligibility is promoted as passed.

No, you do not need to show PoF if:

1. you are in Canada with a authorisation to work, and
2. Have a job or offer of employment.

To generally understand RR, see:

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.

Thank you so much!!

 

[derkdsou]

Are you seeing that you have sufficient experience to meet the MEC (minimum entry criteria) for your stream from some other part of your notes (because it says your CEC/Canada work experience has been calculated to be 6 months)? If you meet your MEC without the need to include your time with Company1, then why did you? Alternative forms of evidence (such as colleague or client testimonials, pay stubs, etc.) will attract extra attention and secondary reviews, and therefore the 'review required'?

@RanaHamdi My AOR is dec 10. employer from company1 refused to give me a letter.Notes itself says that I have enough experience from company2 and company3.
it is still in progrss how can i solve this

need help to understand gcms notes why review required?

NOTES: 1
Created Date 2019104/04 15:55:13 Created By RT01690
Updated Date 2019/04104 15:55:39 Updated By RT01690
Restricted No Label.
EE Eligibility Office Edmonton IRCC Text Case Analyst: Lock-in Date: 2018-12-10_E******** • EE CEC Having analyzed this application based on the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file, I make the following recommendation.

ANALYST RECOMMENDATION: Review Required MI3 SUMMARY
NOTES: FOR OFFICER REVIEW: PA APPEARS TO MEET REQUIREMENTS. REVIEW REQUIRED:

E******* IS IN PROGRESS A11.2: Appears Met R87.1: CEC MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS - Appears Met RPRF: Complete
Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) CRS Score at invitation to apply (ITA) 457 CRS points minimum score for round: 445 CRS score at application (APR): 457 I have reviewed the following for CRS points:

PA gained points as MARRIED at ITA and APR PA gained points for 1 year(s) Canadian Work Experience with Company2, edocti 260991901" & Company3, edoc# 260989740'. PA gained points for Canadian Education Transcript Provided eDoc# 260991112

INTEGRATED SEARCH (FOSSIGCMS): PA: WP Valid Until: 2020-02-13) NO ADVERSE INFORMATION
FAMILY COMPOSITION: MARRIED; Marriage certificate is on file; Spouse is ACCOMPANYING No indication of previous marriages/c1 partners No declared children

MEDICAL valid for 6 months or more PASSPORT valid for
6 months or more

WORK EXPERIENCE: Lock-in Date: 2018-12-10 EDUCATION CREDENTIAL(S) PROVIDED: Master's Degree: PA-MASTER OF APPLIED COMPUTING FROM UNIVERSITY OF WINDSOR-EDOC#260991112; Bachelor's Degree: DEP-WES-BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN ELECTRONICS AND COMMUNICATION ENGINEERING FROM GUJURAT TECHNOLOGICAL UNIVERSITY-EDOC#260990521.; Bachelor's Degree: PA-ECA- BACHELOR OF ENGINEERING FROM GUJARAT TECHNOLOGICAL UNIVERSITY-EDOC#260991112. 2016-11 to 2017-04 - Senior Developer (NOC: 2174) - atCompany1 'REVIEW REQUIRED" - eDoc# 260990630 - Web-based search confirms employer information NOTE: HTTPS://VVWW.**********.COMLOE- JOB DESCRIPTIONS NOT PROVIDED. - Letter confirms salary of 15/HR - Letter confirms full/time employment; 2017-05 to 2017-10 - Java Programmer (NOC: 2174) - at Company2 - eDoc# 260991901 - Web-based search confirms employer information -Letter dated 2018-03-28 appears to confirm employment in declared occupation throughout the specified period, and provides a job description which is consistent with the lead statement and main duties as set out in the declared NOC category. NOTE: HTTPS:/**********.COM - Letter confirms salary of 56K/YR - Letter confirms full/time employment; - Documented Income Provided: Pay stubs from 2017 (eDoc# 260991901) CEC Work: 0 years and 6 months. CRS Canadian Work: 0 years and 6 months. 2…


NOTES: 2 Created Date: 2019/01/21 09:27:18 Created By JB7920 Updated Date: 2019/01/21 09:27:22 Updated By: JB7920 Restricted: No
Label: EE Eligibility
Office: Centralized Intake Office

Text: REVIEW TYPE: Program Assistant APPLICATION #: E********** REGULATION: CEC I have reviewed this application based upon the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and note the following. MIN.SCORE: 445 CRS SCORE: 457 Principal Applicant Application Promoted: Existing UCI

GCMS Information Request: Application Request Identifier' A-2019-02722 Requested Date: 04/10/2019 Spouse Application Promoted: Existing UCI SP:Statutory details located in separate GCMS note Review Notes For Representative: Has Representative Rep Number: R**** Rep Info: **** Primary Applicant Medical Attached to UCI: Yes Spouse Medical Attached to UCI: Yes Client Fees: Verified LANGUAGES Principal Applicant 1 -English- IELTS and Met Threshold & Verified Spouse 1 -English- IELTS and Verified

EDUCATION Primary Applicant 1-Canadian educational credential on file; credential reviewed; Canadian Institution Verified Level of education: Master's degree Foreign credential provided Spouse 1-ECA report Verified on issuing agency website; foreign credential confirmed on ECA site ECA Canadian Equivalency Summary reported by issuing agency as Bachelor's degree (four years) Foreign credential provided

POLICE CERTIFICATE Primary Applicant PA RCMP Screening NRT 1- India police certificate: Provided-NRT R10 OK Recommendation: Pass Criminality - Stat Questions AGE Applicant's age reviewed and No Change from ITA to e-APR Primary applicant's passport contains Work Permit Documents set for Review: Client Information

 

[derkdsou]

A haiku to start off the week! I hope there are many ghost updates and PPRs to come!

Waiting ain't so bad
When you're waiting together
with your whole tribe, too!

 

[deeptheexplorer]

Hello friends, I am an Indian FSW applicant, living in Canada since 2016. I applied under Express Entry (with 478 points) last year. My timeline is as follows:

AOR: Dec. 7, 2018
MEP: Jan. 18, 2019
Review of Eligibility and Background Check have been going on since then. (Reviewing Eligibility Requirements and Processing Background Check)

I was employed in Alberta while my wife worked in Montreal when we applied. Unfortunately, I was let go by my company on March 4 and I immediately let CIC know about it. I claimed no points for the employment in Canada since there was no LMIA and I was employed for only 5 months when I applied. I also let CIC know that I was looking to relocate to Ontario to search for new opportunities.

I left Alberta on March 29 and I came back to Montreal to stay with my wife for a while. Since then I have been traveling back and forth to Toronto, meeting people and attending interviews. I decided not to rent a place permanently since I didn't know where I would end up. I stay with my friends in different locations in Toronto and GTA when I got there for a short visit.

A couple of days back, I got to know from the CIC agent that the criminality is passed and the other stages are still in progress. Since I am nearing 6 months from the time of application, I believe it's important for me to update CIC about my address in Toronto / Ontario. I have no intention of settling in Quebec and since I applied under FSW, I didn't want to tell CIC that I have been staying in Montreal for a few days. One of my friends in downtown Toronto has suggested me to use his address for communication but I fear that might complicate my application.

I am looking to be mobile in Toronto and am set to appear for a driving knowledge test this week using my friend's address to get the license delivered. Should I update CIC about the Toronto address I am going to use? If, by any means, I get any notification for PPR, it would be difficult for me to change the address. In that case, the authorities might suspect me and challenge why I didn't let them know about the change in address as soon as I relocated from Alberta. I didn't do it since I had been living with different friends in different locations in Toronto and didn't have a permanent address there.

Considering my timeline, I sincerely seek urgent advice, especially from senior members. Please help me out.

Seeking help from senior members... @legalfalcon

 

[Maple_Leaf_2019]

Hello all,

I am the primary applicant and had shown the work-ex of spouse before receiving ITA. Later I realised, for spouse, no. Canadian work-ex holds no points, hence I did not produce documents (ref letter) of the same and in LOE I explained the same saying since this does not add any marks to overall score, I have not provided ref letter of spouse. All other things were in sync. AOR 5 Dec. MEP 16 Jan. No other update since then.

Do you think I can call to an agent and talk about this. Or is this impacting the processing time of my application.

Thanks and all the best!

 

[legalfalcon]

Hello friends, I am an Indian FSW applicant, living in Canada since 2016. I applied under Express Entry (with 478 points) last year. My timeline is as follows:

AOR: Dec. 7, 2018
MEP: Jan. 18, 2019
Review of Eligibility and Background Check have been going on since then. (Reviewing Eligibility Requirements and Processing Background Check)

I was employed in Alberta while my wife worked in Montreal when we applied. Unfortunately, I was let go by my company on March 4 and I immediately let CIC know about it. I claimed no points for the employment in Canada since there was no LMIA and I was employed for only 5 months when I applied. I also let CIC know that I was looking to relocate to Ontario to search for new opportunities.

I left Alberta on March 29 and I came back to Montreal to stay with my wife for a while. Since then I have been traveling back and forth to Toronto, meeting people and attending interviews. I decided not to rent a place permanently since I didn't know where I would end up. I stay with my friends in different locations in Toronto and GTA when I got there for a short visit.

A couple of days back, I got to know from the CIC agent that the criminality is passed and the other stages are still in progress. Since I am nearing 6 months from the time of application, I believe it's important for me to update CIC about my address in Toronto / Ontario. I have no intention of settling in Quebec and since I applied under FSW, I didn't want to tell CIC that I have been staying in Montreal for a few days. One of my friends in downtown Toronto has suggested me to use his address for communication but I fear that might complicate my application.

I am looking to be mobile in Toronto and am set to appear for a driving knowledge test this week using my friend's address to get the license delivered. Should I update CIC about the Toronto address I am going to use? If, by any means, I get any notification for PPR, it would be difficult for me to change the address. In that case, the authorities might suspect me and challenge why I didn't let them know about the change in address as soon as I relocated from Alberta. I didn't do it since I had been living with different friends in different locations in Toronto and didn't have a permanent address there.

Considering my timeline, I sincerely seek urgent advice, especially from senior members. Please help me out.

Seeking help from senior members... @legalfalcon

IF you have a current status in Canada, you can continue living in Canada, and your application under FSW should not be an issue.

As regards your address, do not provide the Quebec address. If you do, then you will not be eligible under FSW, unless you are nominated by Quebec.

See https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2018/2018fc248/2018fc248.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAZcXVlYmVjIElSQ0MgZXhwcmVzcyBlbnRyeQAAAAAB&resultIndex=1

You can provide your friend's address.

 

[derkdsou]

This is, indeed, the sort of thing that LOEs are there for, so you should be fine. Of course, feel free to call and check on the status of your application - there is a link in my signature on how to call.

Hello all,

I am the primary applicant and had shown the work-ex of spouse before receiving ITA. Later I realised, for spouse, no. Canadian work-ex holds no points, hence I did not produce documents (ref letter) of the same and in LOE I explained the same saying since this does not add any marks to overall score, I have not provided ref letter of spouse. All other things were in sync. AOR 5 Dec. MEP 16 Jan. No other update since then.

Do you think I can call to an agent and talk about this. Or is this impacting the processing time of my application.

Thanks and all the best!

 

[vince23]

Got my passport + Visa and CoPR back today. Took a bit longer than I thought but am glad all the wait is finally over!
Thanks to everyone in the forums looking out for each other. Highly appreciated!

PPR: 17/04/19
Passport Submission: 22/04/19 (Bangalore VFS)

 

[tintu1717]

Got my passport + Visa and CoPR back today. Took a bit longer than I thought but am glad all the wait is finally over!
Thanks to everyone in the forums looking out for each other. Highly appreciated!

PPR: 17/04/19
Passport Submission: 22/04/19 (Bangalore VFS)

Congrats

 

[tintu1717]

Congrats

Hi Vince,
Good day
How was your experience in bangalore VFS, do they have photograph booth there?
I am planning to go there tomorrow to submit my passport in bangalore VFS. Your guidance will be valuable.

 

[vince23]

Hi Vince,
Good day
How was your experience in bangalore VFS, do they have photograph booth there?
I am planning to go there tomorrow to submit my passport in bangalore VFS. Your guidance will be valuable.

There was a long wait. Not enough seating for all. Turnover time is quite slow and kinda out of order I felt. Not sure but I guess they do have a photo booth. They have a premium section that'll help you get it over with quickly.
Btw I used the same photo w/ Canada specifications as the one in my original application . No issues.
All the best.