CRS 430 and above without Canadian experience connect here!!!

[prads_s]

@438
IELTS CLB 9
No canadian exp or education

Me going to CLB 10 might increase 3 points.
if my spouse gets CLB 9 we can increase 2 more points.

Can get upto 443 but not sure if it's woth it.
Any thoughts?

 

[pacificislander]

@438
IELTS CLB 9
No canadian exp or education

going to CLB 10 might increase 2-3 points, not sure if it's woth it. Any thoughts?

In my opinion, it's difficult to say because we're far from the actual scores that are trending. Let's say your current score is 450 and improving your IELTS score will give additional 3 points, will you still take another language test? It may take time to study for IELTS and maybe it's a good point to ask what is the assurance of getting CLB 10 on all of the abilities. Plus you have to wait for about a few weeks which draws can be made during those days...A really tough question if it's worth it.

 

[pacificislander]

another case which might happen is when the scores are getting below 430 they might add the points for the Canadian siblings which again push the up the draws further to 440-450 range.
this is just a thought

In this case, will the trend suggests that adaptability will be a priority? because A decrease in points awarded to LMIA and job offers concludes that the trend is shifting to another direction giving priority to those with good English, Canadian experience and education...

 

[Pawshi]

I would request all the 430+ to be online and be an active members. Out turn has come. May be few months, but it is certainly our turn to get the ITAs.

 

[Manylivesmanymasters]

I would request all the 430+ to be online and be an active members. Out turn has come. May be few months, but it is certainly our turn to get the ITAs.

Hear! Hear!

 

[pacificislander]

So far, I think we have 5 people with 430+. Where are all the others? Aren't you even concerned about your scores going closer to the required minimum? I am patiently waiting for the scores and I don't think that a day came that I never thought of the draw.lol. Somehow this forum gives me hope that there is a big chance for most of us patiently waiting on the line. Come on CRS 430s!!! where all you've been?

 

[Pawshi]

Around 13+ on my thread for 430 to 439.

 

[pacificislander]

Around 13+ on my thread for 430 to 439.

there 13+ are all without Canadian experience or education? Cool. Thanks! I hope CIC will give the report for 2016 so we can have a better picture of the whole situation.

 

[Manylivesmanymasters]

So far, I think we have 5 people with 430+. Where are all the others? Aren't you even concerned about your scores going closer to the required minimum? I am patiently waiting for the scores and I don't think that a day came that I never thought of the draw.lol. Somehow this forum gives me hope that there is a big chance for most of us patiently waiting on the line. Come on CRS 430s!!! where all you've been?

Based on the previous posts , lets us assume there are only 10% of the applicants in the forum(worst case, there could be more) . The unique no.of responses in the 430-439 is 23 and 440-449 is 30.

not sure how many people are waiting at 450 - 453 .

if we use the 10% calculation, there should be 2300 between 430 to 439 and 3000 between 440 to 449.

With this calcualtion , let us hope that we receive ita at least by End of April.

 

[nabilkhan]

there was 13000 people in range of 400-450 in jan 2016......
now definitely in 2016 no one got selected from this range and approximately same number of people have created new profile in the same range.

so in my opinion there are about 26000 people waiting between 400-450 and atleast 3000 more above 450.

 

[Pawshi]

Yes, indeed. IF CIC continues to draw 3000+ in each draw of February, March and April.

 

[Pawshi]

You are discounting all the OINP guys before February 8th, 2016 who got the nominations. They are no more on this range. yes new additions in last one year in 400 - 450 means from february 9th, 2016 onwards...

 

[nabilkhan]

there is similar thread with some predictions....

Ray of hope for Candidates without Canadian Edu., Experience, PNP and LMIA

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/ray-of-hope-for-candidates-without-canadian-edu-experience-pnp-and-lmia-t463348.0.html;msg5615636#msg5615636

 

[vensak]

The 10% as a sample is only valid on some PNP threads where people were sharing their timelines (for example Ontario PNP applicants).
When it comes to ITA, we have have only app.2 to 3% sample.
When it comes to just sharing current CRS score without any precise waiting queue, the sample will be much lower (not all want to share their score which is not good enough to get them anywhere at the moment).
Furthermore, not everybody stays in the same score range over the time (some will hit temporary work visa or studies in Canada, some will try to max their IELTS or the IELTS of their spouse, some learn second language and then some will manage to get PNP nomination).
But yes, it is true that with the time, there will be more and more EE created. Yet, to get any idea about Dynamics (how was this group changing over the time), we need to have several datas in time. And so far we only have 2015 data, which is not enough to do some estimation.

 

[Pawshi]

yes, I can recall it. There are few points that has to be taken into considerations -

1. As per this report "Refocusing Express Entry 2016" 57,500 people were active in the pool in May 2016.

2. As per http://www.cicnews.com/2016/11/express-entry-human-capital-skills-experience-more-prominent-under-new-system-118705.html, there 61000 active candidates in the pool in October 2016.

Obviously, the increase was due to small draw sizes and higher CRS from April 2016 to September 2016.

After October 2016, more than 23000+ candidates have received the ITAs. This provides some information that total candidates in the pool would be quite less - may be less than 45000+.

Obviously, we dont know how many between 430 to 452.

On February 24, 2016 there was a draw with CRS 453 and size was just 1484. While on 25th January, CRS is same but ITAs were 3508. So what does it indicate?

Does it mean that crowding of Canadian students with 423+ and 438+ scores were quite huge and they have got the ITAs with extra points or there again good number of Canadian students in the range of 410, 420 and 430s, who have equally crowded 430 to 450 range.

Any thoughts?

Also, the same report "Refocusing Express Entry 2016" clearly highlights that following five points -

…but early outcomes and feedback from stakeholders have revealed areas for
improvement:
• As of May 2016, immigrants with valid job offers (44%) or nominations (15%) have accounted for the
majority of invitations, meaning only (41%) were invited mainly on the basis of their human capital.
• Because of the high volume of candidates with scores of 600 or more, and modest invitation
rounds, the invitation cut‐off score has never decreased below 450 points, making it difficult for
candidates with high levels of human capital to receive invitations
• Many candidates with offers of arranged employment claim very low levels of human capital;
• A significant number of candidates are invited on the basis of offers of arranged employment in lowwage
occupations;
• Candidates and employers have expressed frustration with the requirement to provide a Labour
Market Impact Assessment to validate an offer of arranged employment, and the requirement that
offers of arranged employment be “indeterminate” in duration; and,
• Stakeholders have raised concerns that candidates with Canadian study experience are not
specifically advantaged within the Comprehensive Ranking System.

IRCC has given extra points to students as per the last bullet. That is taken care. The CRS is dropping and will continue till high levels of human capital. Now what is considered high levels of human capital??? 450? 440? 430? 420? 410 or 400?

The only indicative answer to what is high levels of human capital is given by OINP is cut off 400.

Well, this my study. You can have your thoughts.