COPR and coronavirus

[freek4iphone]

Landing as a PR is not essential.

"essential" is very subjective, there are some people like my parents, they had wrapped up their life back in their home country. Sold property etc. IT IS essential for them to come. if they do not come it's more hardship for them. because it will take another couple of years for them to get PR again. they can't even come on visitor visa because it gets cancelled when you get PR visa.

 

[freek4iphone]

"essential" is very subjective, there are some people like my parents, they had wrapped up their life back in their home country. Sold property etc. IT IS essential for them to come. if they do not come it's more hardship for them. because it will take another couple of years for them to get PR again. they can't even come on visitor visa because it gets cancelled when you get PR visa.

some people quit their job, sell their car etc etc. it becomes essential for them to travel.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

"essential" is very subjective, there are some people like my parents, they had wrapped up their life back in their home country. Sold property etc. IT IS essential for them to come. if they do not come it's more hardship for them. because it will take another couple of years for them to get PR again. they can't even come on visitor visa because it gets cancelled when you get PR visa.

It's not really subjective. Essential means to maintain trade/supply/a functioning country/etc. Your parents landing doesn't fall under that umbrella.

Not sure what you mean about it taking a few more years. Provided you follow the instructions from IRCC, they won't have to reapply and should be able to land at some point after the ban is lifted.

 

[Ali99947]

Even if they allow people to board flights after June 30, will CBSA process their landing procedure when people arrive in Canada? CBSA seems to define immigration related issues as non-essential for now. And there is no deadline as to when immigration related issues will be resumed by CBSA

By June 30th, Canada will be the new Europe. It's pointless to introduce such a drastic travel ban at this late stage when community spread has already been in action for some time. My worry is at that stage they will panic even more and extend the travel ban causing needless anxiety. I hope the vaccine is ready sooner than later.

 

[freek4iphone]

It's not really subjective. Essential means to maintain trade/supply/a functioning country/etc. Your parents landing doesn't fall under that umbrella.

Not sure what you mean about it taking a few more years. Provided you follow the instructions from IRCC, they won't have to reapply and should be able to land at some point after the ban is lifted.

DO you represent IRCC? Can you guarantee it will be resolved with in a reasonable time (a couple of months). IRCC has a very bad reputation. They even cancelled a backlog of applicants once, people who were waiting for PR a few years. I do not trust them when it comes to clearing backlog.

Originally it took my parents 2 years from submitting their application till getting PRV stamped. it took them almost an year after medical exam. That's why IRCC gave them only a month to land and we got stuck in this mess.

What makes you think that next time their medical is requested it will not take them another year to stamp PRV on their passport? it will actually take much longer because of the backlog.

IRCC will resume their normal processing at the end of this year. They even closed their call center indefinitely. Who knows when they will return.

 

[Ali99947]

Got a response of my webform where I clearly asked whether CoPR is not considered a PR and so is included in the travel ban and IRCC gave a vague response.

I don't understand why can't these IRCC people just say outright CoPRs are banned from travel. It was a simple yes or no question.

Even after approving people for PR, they have created this limbo state of CoPR then why can't they just include this in their official orders and statements rather than hiding it behind "subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act".

 

[freek4iphone]

Got a response of my webform where I clearly asked whether CoPR is not considered a PR and so is included in the travel ban and IRCC gave a vague response.

I don't understand why can't these IRCC people just say outright CoPRs are banned from travel.

what is the actual response you got ? we have raised several webforms for our parents, not response at all.

 

[chintan42patel]

Hello, Currently I am in US(Indian citizen). As per new guidelines came today, it seems like people who are in usa, are allowed to travel via land border when the ban is over particularly for land border. I have tried to call IRCC today but it didn’t went through so I called CBSA and they just gave me random answer that as of now they are not having any updated information. So I am very confused. Did anyone get reply from IRCC or CBSA?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

DO you represent IRCC? Can you guarantee it will be resolved with in a reasonable time (a couple of months). IRCC has a very bad reputation. They even cancelled a backlog of applicants once, people who were waiting for PR a few years. I do not trust them when it comes to clearing backlog.

Originally it took my parents 2 years from submitting their application till getting PRV stamped. it took them almost an year after medical exam. That's why IRCC gave them only a month to land and we got stuck in this mess.

What makes you think that next time their medical is requested it will not take them another year to stamp PRV on their passport? it will actually take much longer because of the backlog.

IRCC will resume their normal processing at the end of this year. They even closed their call center indefinitely. Who knows when they will return.

Do you represent IRCC? Can you guarantee that it will take much longer and that IRCC won't resume normal processing until the end of the year?

The FSW cancellation was something completely different, so I'm not sure why you are referring to it.

A medical request doesn't mean that processing is done, so it is quite normal for an app to take a while after the medical. Their processing is done now and assuming people will just need to update their medical, it is a simple process to re-issue documents.

 

[freek4iphone]

Do you represent IRCC? Can you guarantee that it will take much longer and that IRCC won't resume normal processing until the end of the year?

The FSW cancellation was something completely different, so I'm not sure why you are referring to it.

A medical request doesn't mean that processing is done, so it is quite normal for an app to take a while after the medical. Their processing is done now and assuming people will just need to update their medical, it is a simple process to re-issue documents.

they have made it clear on their website that one will need new criminal, security and passport check along with medical. so it just seems like a new application processing.

 

[JNP19]

Oh God effective until June 30, 2020. They should have given some window to CoPRs to travel at least until the end of March. Now an additional 3 months of wait.

Has this order been passed and is now set in stone or will it be debated further and reviewed as the situation evolves?

I just hope travel ban is not till June 30th 2020.I cant imagine going through the whole thing again

 

[SubAlba]

Landing as a PR is not essential.

https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/attachment.php?attach=38952&lang=en

Non-application
3 Section 2 does not apply to
(b) an immediate family member of a Canadian citizen or of a permanent resident as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act;

They say that this travel ban is non-applicable to immediate family member of a Canadian citizen or PR.
COPR (thru spousal application) is the only thing my husband has now since they cancelled his TRV by the time he got his COPR/PRV.
Now, how is he gonna land if not as a PR?
Do they only allow immediate family member with TRV specifically to enter Canada? (saying Landing as a PR is not essential)

 

[gnangia89]

You are missing the point here. Rescheduling your flight will not work. Even if your airline is still flying the route, the ban is applicable at port of entry. Border is closed for non citizens and non pr.
So regardless whether you airline cancels the flight or not, you will be denied entry at the Canadian airport.

Silver lining: For all of us first time landers, the condition within Canada is less than ideal at the moment. Starting a new life for an immigrant is difficult even during normal days, imagine what it would be like during a state of emergency. No jobs, no hiring, difficulty finding accomodation, no supplies at supermarkets.
Think of the ban as something positive and temporary saving us from a potentially worse situation to be stuck in.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business...ch-22-for-a-week/amp_articleshow/74712749.cms

 

[Ansh sharma]

Hi can anyone please clarify on this ? Am also at same confused state as my husband is PR CARD holder me and kids got COPR so we will be fine to fly with COPR as my husband is a PR CARD holder .

yes you can fly. refer to non applicant point 2 in link - https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/attachment.php?attach=38952&lang=en

 

[SubAlba]

Saw this from another thread:
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...on-travel-and-landing-in-canada.682315/page-2

Canadian citizen here living in Japan with my wife (Japanese). Hoping to clarify some misinformation Ive been reading by those worried or unclear. My wife has her CoPR, and we are scheduled to fly to Canada from Tokyo end of this month. I’ve been in contact with the embassy here in Japan, regarding her situation. This was their reply:

“Please note that persons approved for permanent residence (CoPR) are not yet considered to be permanent residents. However, as you note there is an exception for immediate family members. The airlines are responsible for determining eligible travelers so we would advise you to travel together and have evidence of your relationship to make it easier for their determination.”

Her having her CoPR does NOT make her a permanent resident. However, she is an immediate family member of a Canadian citizen.

Regarding immediate family members, here is what Transport Canada says:

“The measure will come into force on Wednesday, March 18, at 12:00 p.m. (noon) EDT. It would not apply to air crews, travelers arriving in Canada in transit to a third country, Canadian Permanent Residents, diplomats, or immediate family members of Canadian citizens.”

In the case of immediate family members, it clearly states immediate family members of Canadian citizens (as opposed to immediate family members of Permanent Residents).

Transport Canada link here:

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2020/03/new-measures-for-covid-19-response.html

Hope that clarifies the current rules.