Contacted HRSDC with job description, they said I'm NOC 5244...BUT!

[playtheman]

So I gave a pretty solid Job description to the people at HRSDC, then they asked for it in their format, this is what I told them:

Wood window assembler. (title doesnt reflect duties)

Several years experience wood working, reading from blue prints. Cutting shaping and joining wood. Using routers, hand tools. Experience finishing surfaces to a high standard (Worked for my dad as a carpenter but no official trade cert)

Establishment is : custom wood windows and doors manufacturer.

My job actually aligns 90% with Cabinet making. NOC 7272, but I don't have a trade.

Does this make me NOC B? because anything to do with windows is NOC C under wood product assembly (But I build stuff like a cabinet maker does, not just assemble)
Not to mention I have done work with the Glazing side of the company over the past year. I feel like my Job covers too many NOC's for the Officers to believe I actually do any of it lol.

 

[djshshajtm]

We are not HRSDC.
You should clarify with HRSDC if you think what they suggested is wrong.
Trying giving more day to day tasks?

In the end, it's what they say matters to CIC, not our opinion.

 

[playtheman]

We are not HRSDC.
You should clarify with HRSDC if you think what they suggested is wrong.
Trying giving more day to day tasks?

In the end, it's what they say matters to CIC, not our opinion.

1. I am well aware of that buddy! ;D

I responded to them asking for clarification.

I guess I should be asking you guys here is, if HRSDC confirm my job description is a certain NOC code (and employer backs it up) can I use the emails from HRSDC as a way of showing CIC that I have tried to find the closest NOC code, In case CIC aren't happy with it?

I am just trying to prepare the best I can.

Thanks for taking time to reply! Much appreciated

 

[djshshajtm]

Yes you can do that (in fact everybody who feel like CIC might have hard time deciding NOC code should do this).
Confirmation from HRSDC will add credibility.

Not saying you do, but don't try to cheat HRSDC in giving you a confirmation with a different NOC code
than what you are actually working as.
This might fire back on you when it comes to CIC reviewing your doc.

Good luck buddy.

 

[playtheman]

Yes you can do that (in fact everybody who feel like CIC might have hard time deciding NOC code should do this).
Confirmation from HRSDC will add credibility.

Not saying you do, but don't try to cheat HRSDC in giving you a confirmation with a different NOC code
than what you are actually working as.
This might fire back on you when it comes to CIC reviewing your doc.

Good luck buddy.

That's why I told them my job is way more like "cabinet maker" than Artisan and craft person in my reply, I'm trying to show them that someone who builds custom wood bay/bow windows isn't just an assembler with no skill. Which a tiny portion of my job is just assembly of standard size window frames. But I spend most of my time making these huge one off windows that are multiple stories high in some cases.

I suggested they update the NOC if possible to include "custom/specialty hand built wood products" that aren't tables and furniture. A window can be a piece of well crafted art too. (Not bragging!)
But I do have to come up with my own solutions to the finishing touches of windows. My bosses leave a lot to my own judgement.

 

[jes_ON]

In the end, it's what they say matters to CIC, not our opinion.

Actually, CIC/IRCC makes its own determination, what ESDC says is not binding in any way on IRCC.

ESDC and IRCC use the NOCs in different ways, so they often can and do have different interpretations.

The point being, if the applicant feels that ESDC is wrong, they probably are. But it also means there's a problem with the job description that requires clarification.

In this case, there appears to be insufficient detail in the job description. But that does not mean that the job description should include every little tangential detail either.

 

[playtheman]

Actually, CIC/IRCC makes its own determination, what ESDC says is not binding in any way on IRCC.

ESDC and IRCC use the NOCs in different ways, so they often can and do have different interpretations.

The point being, if the applicant feels that ESDC is wrong, they probably are. But it also means there's a problem with the job description that requires clarification.

In this case, there appears to be insufficient detail in the job description. But that does not mean that the job description should include every little tangential detail either.

So its probably best to contact the people who will deal with immigration for clarification, rather than the people who set the codes?
I fit the cabinet maker description almost 100% except I don't give customers quotes on prices and I don't make cabinets lol but I could make cabinets quiet easily with my job skills.

 

[jes_ON]

So its probably best to contact the people who will deal with immigration for clarification, rather than the people who set the codes?

Not possible. CIC/IRCC is not going to tell you what your NOC is.

I fit the cabinet maker description almost 100% except I don't give customers quotes on prices and I don't make cabinets lol but I could make cabinets quiet easily with my job skills.

If you don't make cabinets, then perhaps re-consider if ESDC was right.

What DO you make?

 

[playtheman]

Okay..

I make custom wood bay/bow windows by hand from scratch. The whole thing
Not just assemble pre-made parts, they are one off and expensive.


Edit: and thats why I have been contacting the EDSC etc, I have no idea where that falls in NOC. It's clearly a skilled job. Making cabinets would be way easier for me to do than making these windows.

 

[jes_ON]

Okay..

I make custom wood bay/bow windows by hand from scratch. The whole thing
Not just assemble pre-made parts, they are one off and expensive.


Edit: and thats why I have been contacting the EDSC etc, I have no idea where that falls in NOC. It's clearly a skilled job. Making cabinets would be way easier for me to do than making these windows.

Sorry, you did say that before : )

Stupid question - why not 7271, Carpenter?
http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=7&val1=7271&val65=wood

 

[playtheman]

Sorry, you did say that before : )

Stupid question - why not 7271, Carpenter?
http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=7&val1=7271&val65=wood

I don't have a trade? I do have experience working for my father who was a carpenter though.
I guess you could call me a carpenter, just job title is window assembler (even though its only the title, and no what the job is)

But I guess I could talk to my bosses about it?

Thank you for your help buddy

 

[jes_ON]

I don't have a trade? I do have experience working for my father who was a carpenter though.

I think you're asking about certification - "Trade certification for carpenters is compulsory in Quebec and available, but voluntary, in all other provinces and the territories.
Trade certification for framers is available, but voluntary, in Saskatchewan.


Unless you're in Quebec, certification is optional.


I guess you could call me a carpenter, just job title is window assembler (even though its only the title, and no what the job is)

But I guess I could talk to my bosses about it?

That's a good idea ...