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Conjugal Partnership Help

iloverawrs

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Mar 3, 2016
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Hey everyone, I am in an usual situation and was hoping someone could help or offer some advice. I met a girl and have since been together for over a year. She is from America and I am from Canada. She has already come to visit me twice since but we are trying to figure a way to be together on a more permanent basis. I have done a lot of research online and saw some potential in sponsoring her as my conjugal partner under the family class. We have been together officially for over a year and have known each other for many months more on top of that. I am certain we can prove that we have a legitimate relationship but my only concern is regarding our barrier to cohabiting. I have read in the CIC manual that

In most cases, there will be an immigration impediment to continuous cohabitation (e.g., inability to obtain long-stay visas for one another’s country). Noncohabitation for purely personal or economic reasons (i.e., did not want to give up a job or studies) does not normally qualify as a sufficient impediment, but should be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

Economic and financial reasons are the primary barrier to us living together, it is not for the same reason they have listed above. The only reason we are even trying to apply for permanent residency is so that she can be legally allowed to work. We are both in a very poor financial situation and cannot afford a place of our own. It would be a lot more doable if both her and I have a job so we can make enough money to pay for rent, bills and groceries. The main argument I was hoping of presenting is that she wants the opportunity to contribute to our Canadian society while living alongside me instead of being a deadbeat bum that leeches for an entire year before qualifying as a commonlaw partnership.

While many of you are probably thinking why not just marry but if we cannot even afford a place to live how can we plan a wedding. Marriage is supposed to be a happy celebration not something forced upon you in order to have a chance at happiness. The CIC also recognizes that marriage cannot be forced as the decision is a constitutionally protected right. We are not trying to take advantage of the system nor are we in a false relationship for her to gain Canadian citizenship, we are just a young couple madly in love and desperate to be together. Do you think that if we apply and argue the following reasons with plenty of proof in a professional report that we have a chance of getting her approved for permanent residency? Thank you for your time.
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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You face no immigration barriers to marriage or common law. A conjugal application will be refused.
 

ayrazar

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Jul 2, 2015
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I agree with Scylla. You don't face the kind of barriers the conjugal program is designed for.

Our marriage was like.. I don't remember how much, but it wasn't very much, haha. The smartest thing would be to get married at a small civil ceremony like we did, and then plan for your bigger wedding to happen at a later date. My husband and I got married in October over the course of about 5 minutes with a judge wearing a robe over her jeans, then had a bigger ceremony we planned in December.

We tipped the judge $50 but she wasn't allowed to actually charge. I forget how much the license was. Not too much I think. This was New York State.
 

Aquakitty

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ayrazar said:
I agree with Scylla. You don't face the kind of barriers the conjugal program is designed for.

Our marriage was like.. I don't remember how much, but it wasn't very much, haha. The smartest thing would be to get married at a small civil ceremony like we did, and then plan for your bigger wedding to happen at a later date. My husband and I got married in October over the course of about 5 minutes with a judge wearing a robe over her jeans, then had a bigger ceremony we planned in December.

We tipped the judge $50 but she wasn't allowed to actually charge. I forget how much the license was. Not too much I think. This was New York State.
You're supposed to tip the person who marries you? Whoops.

@OP, if you are completely broke, you don't have a lot of choices. As was said, conjugal is out for Americans. There is an exchange program if you are 30 or under and this will get you an open work permit, but it costs money as well for the application fees and health insurance, and you have to have a few thousand in the bank for proof.

So you either have to be a "deadbeat" for a year, or get married on the cheap, at least for now.

Keep in mind, there are a few loopholes for earning money even though you can't work. You are allowed to work for a 100% American company remotely, and if you sell things online using your g/f's name, there is no way they can ever tag you for that kind of thing (Amazon, etsy etc). In these situations you have to be a bit creative.

You could also go to school online and get a PELL grant to support yourself, that's what my husband did. He just got his degree, 100% free, while living in Canada, by going to school online from a college in the US.
 

iloverawrs

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Mar 3, 2016
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So there is literally nothing to do except force a marriage or have her live as a bum and do nothing all day for a year while she waits with me?
That doesn't seem very fair or very healthy for her to do, how is she supposed to get a sense of accomplishment? Why cant she just contribute with taxes and get a job so we can build toward our future? We are not trying to trick the government into a quick citizenship just looking for a reasonable way to be together...

PS the deadbeat argument was her idea because she does not want to be a burden and i respect her for it.

Also thanks for the ideas and trying to come up with some help aquakitty and ayrazar I appreciate the effort
 

ayrazar

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Jul 2, 2015
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Why deadbeat? Just get married and apply outland. It'll take about 6 months and she can work in the US.
 

iloverawrs

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Mar 3, 2016
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How is a young couple supposed to make it while I am busy going to university full time and she is stuck at home?..
 

Hayles1980

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another option ...... continue your long distance relationship until you are done school and mature enough to set up your household properly. It seems like neither of you is in a functioning adult situation, so it seems odd that you would be permitted to sponsor someone else when you haven't set yourself up yet.

I would get a job, tell her to go back to US and get a job, continue to travel to see each other until you have saved some money and are working (done school) so you can support her after she gets here and looks for a job. That's what the system is designed for. A sponsor is literally a person who will support the spouse financially. If you can't do that, you shouldn't really be thinking of sponsoring anyone.
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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01-10-2010
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iloverawrs said:
How is a young couple supposed to make it while I am busy going to university full time and she is stuck at home?..
If she's motivated, she could try to find a job in Canada that would allow her to work while waiting out the processing of the PR application. The first step is to find an employer in Canada willing to offer her a full time role. If that role falls on the NAFTA occupations list - she could then apply for a work permit directly. If the role does not fall under NAFTA - her employer will have to obtain an approved LMIA (which is unfortunately a long and expensive process) before she can apply for a work permit.

The honest truth is that immigrating always involves some sacrifices. All of us here have made them. Your situation is no different. There's no magic wand.