Confusion in calculation of work experience

[EEcanvan]

Hello everyone,

I have applied through Express Entry and my Overall CRS is 472. I have received ITA but I am confused regarding the calculation of my work experience. My details are as follows:

1) Profile created 23 April , Initial CRS- Work Experience 25

2)Addition of 25 points in month of June (Completion of total 3 years) Total CRS- Work experience 50.

I have experience with two different employers. Details are as follows:

EMPLOYER-1

1)Job Type- Sales Supervisor in a retail outlet in UK
2)NOC-6211
3)Experience time period- 10th April 2012 - 31st December 2013.
4)'Full time' mentioned but number of hours and Annual Salary not mentioned .

In January 2014 left UK and returned to home country. Started working again with second employer from March 2014. Details are here:

Employer-2

1) Job Type- Marketing Manager
2) NOC- 0124
3) Time period- 1st March 2014- Present
4) Full time + number of hours+ salary division mentioned.

Now the problem is with my experience with Emploer-1. I was paid weekly and the number of hours used to vary. Now I want to understand that how CIC calculates my number of hours for the period of 1.9 years. I started working in the month of April, so from April 2012- March 2013 the number of hours worked should be at-least 1560 total hours. But from April 2013- December 2013 (9 months), Do I again need to have 1560 total hours to claim my points for that particular year?

I am providing my payslips showing 30+ hours per week as my supporting document. On my payslips my Gross Salary is also mentioned. Does that qualify as a proof for Annual Salary?

Please Help... ???

 

[Asivad Anac]

Now the problem is with my experience with Emploer-1. I was paid weekly and the number of hours used to vary. Now I want to understand that how CIC calculates my number of hours for the period of 1.9 years. I started working in the month of April, so from April 2012- March 2013 the number of hours worked should be at-least 1560 total hours. But from April 2013- December 2013 (9 months), Do I again need to have 1560 total hours to claim my points for that particular year?

I am providing my payslips showing 30+ hours per week as my supporting document. On my payslips my Gross Salary is also mentioned. Does that qualify as a proof for Annual Salary?

Please Help... ???

You can't calculate that 9 month period as 1 year work-experience even if you meet the 1560 hours requirement. You overall experience for that 1st job will be a maximum of 1 years and 9 months. 1 year of experience provided you accumulated 1560 hours for the period Apr 2012 - Mar 2013. And 9 months of work experience provided you have 3/4ths of 1560 or 1170 hours of experience for the period Apr 2013 - Dec 2013. If you want that to count to 2 years of work experience, that is possible only if you acquired 390 hours of work experience in the period Jan 2014 - Mar 2014.

As for your 2nd job, the work experience acquired so far is 1 year and 3/4 months depending on the start date of employment in Mar 2014. When you add this with your previous experience of 1 year and 9 months, you will be just over the line provided you did not work anywhere during the period Jan 2014 - Mar 2014. This is also complicated by the date you got your ITA because you should have had 3 years of experience as on the date your ITA came through. If you got your ITA on June 26th, you should still be fine with the work experience bit.

Your concern should be more with number of hours and the work-experience because that has added sufficient points for you to get an ITA. Salary is the least important criteria for now. Calculate again based on the start dates of your employment to see if you cross the line of 3 years work experience before June 26th. Once you're done calculating this positively, attach that as an LOE along with supporting evidence for number of hours/week (payslips indicating more than 30 hours/week will work) and clearly explain to the VO how you calculate 3 years of work experience cutting across both the jobs and politely request the VO to treat your application favorably.

All the best!

 

[EEcanvan]

You can't calculate that 9 month period as 1 year work-experience even if you meet the 1560 hours requirement. You overall experience for that 1st job will be a maximum of 1 years and 9 months. 1 year of experience provided you accumulated 1560 hours for the period Apr 2012 - Mar 2013. And 9 months of work experience provided you have 3/4ths of 1560 or 1170 hours of experience for the period Apr 2013 - Dec 2013. If you want that to count to 2 years of work experience, that is possible only if you acquired 390 hours of work experience in the period Jan 2014 - Mar 2014.

As for your 2nd job, the work experience acquired so far is 1 year and 3/4 months depending on the start date of employment in Mar 2014. When you add this with your previous experience of 1 year and 9 months, you will be just over the line provided you did not work anywhere during the period Jan 2014 - Mar 2014. This is also complicated by the date you got your ITA because you should have had 3 years of experience as on the date your ITA came through. If you got your ITA on June 26th, you should still be fine with the work experience bit.

Your concern should be more with number of hours and the work-experience because that has added sufficient points for you to get an ITA. Salary is the least important criteria for now. Calculate again based on the start dates of your employment to see if you cross the line of 3 years work experience before June 26th. Once you're done calculating this positively, attach that as an LOE along with supporting evidence for number of hours/week (payslips indicating more than 30 hours/week will work) and clearly explain to the VO how you calculate 3 years of work experience cutting across both the jobs and politely request the VO to treat your application favorably.

All the best!

Dear Asivad,

Thank you for your detailed explanation. Just one doubt here, as both my jobs are under different NOC, so does that create a problem while considering the number of hours for april2013-march 2014 (March comes under different NOC).

 

[Asivad Anac]

Dear Asivad,

Thank you for your detailed explanation. Just one doubt here, as both my jobs are under different NOC, so does that create a problem while considering the number of hours for april2013-march 2014 (March comes under different NOC).

The answer to that is on 2 levels.

1. For calculating CRS score, NOCs do not matter. You can mix and match.

2. For calculating program eligibility under FSWP, you must choose 1 NOC and stick with it. Typically that NOC would also be the primary NOC in your application. You should ideally choose the NOC in which you have the maximum years of experience because that will maximize your score on the FSW 100 points grid. You need to score 67/100 to qualify and work experience can add 9 (for 1 year), 11 (for 2-3 years), 13 (for 4-5 years) or 15 (6 or more years) points to your score.

Check your points here ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp

Hope that clarifies. All the best!

 

[EEcanvan]

The answer to that is on 2 levels.

1. For calculating CRS score, NOCs do not matter. You can mix and match.

2. For calculating program eligibility under FSWP, you must choose 1 NOC and stick with it. Typically that NOC would also be the primary NOC in your application. You should ideally choose the NOC in which you have the maximum years of experience because that will maximize your score on the FSW 100 points grid. You need to score 67/100 to qualify and work experience can add 9 (for 1 year), 11 (for 2-3 years), 13 (for 4-5 years) or 15 (6 or more years) points to your score.

Check your points here ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp

Okey. Considering the worst case scenario, even after explaining all this, VO rejects my application. I still have OOPNP PT, which is on my current EE profile. If I apply for it and get those extra 600 points and also apply through ITA and my application gets rejected, Will my current profile still stands? I am asking in order to understand that I clear minimum eligibility criteria of 1 year work through my current job so even If I don't claim points for my previous job my eligibility criteria will be fulfilled. So by addition of 600 points will I be able to get ITA again? OR rejection of a application means rejection of EE profile completely? Hope I am able to put my question clearly...

Hope that clarifies. All the best!

 

[EEcanvan]

The answer to that is on 2 levels.

1. For calculating CRS score, NOCs do not matter. You can mix and match.

2. For calculating program eligibility under FSWP, you must choose 1 NOC and stick with it. Typically that NOC would also be the primary NOC in your application. You should ideally choose the NOC in which you have the maximum years of experience because that will maximize your score on the FSW 100 points grid. You need to score 67/100 to qualify and work experience can add 9 (for 1 year), 11 (for 2-3 years), 13 (for 4-5 years) or 15 (6 or more years) points to your score.

Check your points here ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp

Hope that clarifies. All the best!

Okey. Considering the worst case scenario, even after explaining all this, VO rejects my application. I still have OOPNP PT, which is on my current EE profile. If I apply for it and get those extra 600 points and also apply through ITA and my application gets rejected, Will my current profile still stands? I am asking in order to understand that I clear minimum eligibility criteria of 1 year work through my current job so even If I don't claim points for my previous job my eligibility criteria will be fulfilled. So by addition of 600 points will I be able to get ITA again? OR rejection of a application means rejection of EE profile completely? Hope I am able to put my question clearly...

 

[Asivad Anac]

Okey. Considering the worst case scenario, even after explaining all this, VO rejects my application. I still have OOPNP PT, which is on my current EE profile. If I apply for it and get those extra 600 points and also apply through ITA and my application gets rejected, Will my current profile still stands? I am asking in order to understand that I clear minimum eligibility criteria of 1 year work through my current job so even If I don't claim points for my previous job my eligibility criteria will be fulfilled. So by addition of 600 points will I be able to get ITA again? OR rejection of a application means rejection of EE profile completely? Hope I am able to put my question clearly...

Just restricting the discussion to work experience, the VO can reject your profile on 2 grounds.

1. Ineligibility for FSWP - MyCIC profile should have taken care of this on it's own but if it misses that scrutiny, the VO will catch this for sure. Did you check your eligibility? Are you getting 67/100? If yes, nothing to worry here.

2. Incorrect CRS score - Because the EE system asks for information in MM-YYYY format, the onus of calculating work experience to the date and hours/year falls on the applicant. Even if the system accidentally awards you points, it is your duty to point it out to the VO and such honesty might be rewarded at times.

Coming to your worst case scenario question, your OOPNP PT is irrelevant for now because you have received an ITA. It will become relevant only if you decline this ITA and submit documents for the PT to convert it into PN and get an ITA on that basis. If you submit your FSW application to CIC and simultaneously submit application to OOPNP, it won't be of any use even if you get a PN because your current EE profile will be locked. Rejection of your EE application by the VO will not reopen your EE profile to give you access to OOPNP.

Simply put, if you want to apply for OOPNP you'll have to decline this ITA. But I think that is not warranted. If you score 67/100 on the grid and you can show calculation to prove 3 years of work experience as on June 26th by combining both your jobs, you still have a fighting chance with this ITA.

Hope that clarifies. All the best!

 

[A1554069]

Need a double check on my duration of work experinece:
Company A: 2nd Aug 2013 to 21st Nov 2014 (Is this 1 year 4 months or 1 year 3 months?)
Company B: 22nd Dec 2014 to 5th Aug 2016 (1 year 8 months or 1 year 9 months)
Company C: 1st Oct 2017 to 31st Aug 2018 (11 months)
Point is does CIC count work experinece month to month or date wise?

 

[Senthil2610933]

You can't calculate that 9 month period as 1 year work-experience even if you meet the 1560 hours requirement. You overall experience for that 1st job will be a maximum of 1 years and 9 months. 1 year of experience provided you accumulated 1560 hours for the period Apr 2012 - Mar 2013. And 9 months of work experience provided you have 3/4ths of 1560 or 1170 hours of experience for the period Apr 2013 - Dec 2013. If you want that to count to 2 years of work experience, that is possible only if you acquired 390 hours of work experience in the period Jan 2014 - Mar 2014.

As for your 2nd job, the work experience acquired so far is 1 year and 3/4 months depending on the start date of employment in Mar 2014. When you add this with your previous experience of 1 year and 9 months, you will be just over the line provided you did not work anywhere during the period Jan 2014 - Mar 2014. This is also complicated by the date you got your ITA because you should have had 3 years of experience as on the date your ITA came through. If you got your ITA on June 26th, you should still be fine with the work experience bit.

Your concern should be more with number of hours and the work-experience because that has added sufficient points for you to get an ITA. Salary is the least important criteria for now. Calculate again based on the start dates of your employment to see if you cross the line of 3 years work experience before June 26th. Once you're done calculating this positively, attach that as an LOE along with supporting evidence for number of hours/week (payslips indicating more than 30 hours/week will work) and clearly explain to the VO how you calculate 3 years of work experience cutting across both the jobs and politely request the VO to treat your application favorably.

All the best!

Hi
Asivad Anac


Hope you are doing well

In the work history section
I started my first job on April 10th, 2017 and worked till 31st May 2018
I started my second job on 20th Aug 2018-till date
ut as of today, the EE profile calculates my experience as 3 years when I am still short by 30 days technically speaking. ( EE doesn't ask for the date of Joining etc. )

If you calculate my month on month , it becomes 3 years but Date wise I am still short by 30 days

Note: All my full time job are 45hours / week

Best regards

 

[Senthil2610933]

Need a double check on my duration of work experinece:
Company A: 2nd Aug 2013 to 21st Nov 2014 (Is this 1 year 4 months or 1 year 3 months?)
Company B: 22nd Dec 2014 to 5th Aug 2016 (1 year 8 months or 1 year 9 months)
Company C: 1st Oct 2017 to 31st Aug 2018 (11 months)
Point is does CIC count work experinece month to month or date wise?

Hi A1554069,

I am facing the same issue - How did you proceed ?

In the work history section
I started my first job on April 10th, 2017 and worked till 31st May 2018
I started my second job on 20th Aug 2018-till date
ut as of today, the EE profile calculates my experience as 3 years when I am still short by 30 days technically speaking. ( EE doesn't ask for the date of Joining etc. )

If you calculate my month on month , it becomes 3 years but Date wise I am still short by 30 days

Note: All my full time job are 45hours / week

Best regards