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Faiz uddin

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Hello. I have Applied for My PRTD in Pakistan. I will travel to Canada in Jan. My H+C reason is That i was a minor when my parents Stayed outside Canada. I have Applied as An Individual. I saw you Are Suggesting people to wait 2 years In Canada and then Apply For A PR renewal. But i cant wait that long. I will Apply For PR and then come back to Pakistan Because I Cant wait That much . My ques :
1 ) What is the Most probable result of my case ?
2) Will i get Another PRTD if am called for An interview or Something which need my presence ?
3) How can Canadian authorities ask people to Stay in canada without Fresh PR. I mean if theh Say NO after Six Month or an 1 year. Then this is not good. You cant waste Anyone's time...
 

Leon

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1) If you are young, under 20, then you have a really good chance to get a travel document. The older you are, the odds of getting a travel documents are diminishing because immigration will feel that you should have taken the first possible opportunity to return if you wanted to return.

2) If you are granted a travel document on H&C grounds, you don't have to wait two years to apply to renew your PR card. I would however not advise you to leave Canada right away after you apply to renew. The PR card will not be sent to your address in Pakistan and they may request that you pick it up in person in Canada. There is no guarantee that you will get another travel document. Immigration might say that they gave you a chance to return to Canada with the first travel document and if you decided to leave again, then you weren't really serious about using your chance. If you can't enter to pick up the renewed PR card, they will destroy it. If you are denied a travel document, your PR will be revoked. Even after getting your new PR card, you preferably shouldn't leave until you have stayed for two years and met the RO again. The reason is because if you leave Canada before you meet the RO again and outside Canada, your PR card is lost, stolen or destroying, there is no guarantee that they will give you another PR TD in order to return to Canada because again, they might say that they gave you one but you did not use your chance.

3) Staying two years in Canada without applying to renew the PR card is for people who don't meet the residency obligation and don't have H&C grounds. Nobody is asking them to do that but it is the only way for them to put their PR status back in good standing. If they do manage to enter Canada without being reported and they stay for 2 years, they can't be denied to renew. In any case, if they stayed outside Canada long enough to be in breach of the RO and they don't have H&C grounds, they can only blame themselves for being in that situation.
 

Faiz uddin

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Thank you For Your Cooperation. I have a Ques:
Once you are Issued A PRTD, In how much Duration one has To travel. I mean i am asking about the Validity of PRTD.
2) For example I come back after applying and they Call me For an Interview or Collection in person. And My PRTD gets refused that time. I have a US visa. Will i be Able to enter Canada via Car ?
 

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Faiz uddin said:
Thank you For Your Cooperation. I have a Ques:
Once you are Issued A PRTD, In how much Duration one has To travel. I mean i am asking about the Validity of PRTD.
2) For example I come back after applying and they Call me For an Interview or Collection in person. And My PRTD gets refused that time. I have a US visa. Will i be Able to enter Canada via Car ?
They are usually valid for six months.

If the PRTD is refused, then no - you won't be able to enter Canada by land from the US. A refusal of your PRTD will result in your PR status being officially lost.
 

Leon

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Faiz uddin said:
Thank you For Your Cooperation. I have a Ques:
Once you are Issued A PRTD, In how much Duration one has To travel. I mean i am asking about the Validity of PRTD.
2) For example I come back after applying and they Call me For an Interview or Collection in person. And My PRTD gets refused that time. I have a US visa. Will i be Able to enter Canada via Car ?
1) A PR TD is generally valid for 6 months but it will only allow you to enter Canada once. If you leave and want to enter again, you would need another one.

2) If you apply and are refused a PR TD, you trigger a cause of events that cause you to lose your PR status. In that case, going to the US and crossing by land will not help. You could skip applying for the PR TD and enter through the US and by land instead. If you are lucky, the immigration officer will not report you.
 

dpenabill

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In response to initial query, I concur in the response by Leon.


Faiz uddin said:
Thank you For Your Cooperation. I have a Ques:
Once you are Issued A PRTD, In how much Duration one has To travel. I mean i am asking about the Validity of PRTD.
2) For example I come back after applying and they Call me For an Interview or Collection in person. And My PRTD gets refused that time. I have a US visa. Will i be Able to enter Canada via Car ?

scylla said:
They are usually valid for six months.

If the PRTD is refused, then no - you won't be able to enter Canada by land from the US. A refusal of your PRTD will result in your PR status being officially lost.
Leon said:
1) A PR TD is generally valid for 6 months but it will only allow you to enter Canada once. If you leave and want to enter again, you would need another one.

2) If you apply and are refused a PR TD, you trigger a cause of events that cause you to lose your PR status. In that case, going to the US and crossing by land will not help. You could skip applying for the PR TD and enter through the US and by land instead. If you are lucky, the immigration officer will not report you.

Ditto that six months appears to be the usual duration of a PR TD's validity, with the caveat that this is likely limited by expiration date on the individual's passport. Generally it is not a good idea to travel with a passport approaching its last six months anyway, but applications for PR TD based on H&C can often take quite a long while to process so it would be prudent to be sure one has a passport which will be valid for well longer than another six months at the time of applying for the PR TD.

Thus, generally, if you are granted a PR TD, you will be able to retain PR status if you come to Canada, settle and live in Canada. Leaving Canada prior to being issued a new PR card, or until you are clearly in compliance with the PR Residency Obligation based on amount of time spent in Canada, could risk loss of PR status (see below for longer explanation regarding this).

If you are denied a PR TD, that will automatically terminate your PR status unless you timely appeal. But you can appeal (see more below).

Beyond that, things are a little more complicated; scylla and Leon appear to be overlooking or confusing the scope or nature of what it means to be granted a PR TD or the scope or nature of a PR's entitlement to enter Canada. They also appear to overlook the right to appeal and the effect of that.

BTW: I do not know what the odds are that you will be issued a PR TD, or if denied what your chances are in an appeal. Those depend on the particular facts and circumstances of your individual case.



If a PR TD is granted:

Note: if a PR TD is granted on H&C grounds, that constitutes a positive adjudication as to your PR status. While it does not necessarily start the clock all over, it is a decision which in many respects is binding and will be honored by CBSA and IRCC.

Thus, for example, if you are issued a PR TD, which is almost certain to be a single use TD only, it is correct that it will facilitate only one trip to Canada.

It is not correct, however, that if after coming to Canada you then leave you will need another PR TD to "enter" Canada again. On the contrary, once issued the PR TD you retain PR status and will be entitled to enter Canada going forward unless and until your status is formally lost pursuant to some subsequent transaction (such as another application for a PR TD is denied, or you are reported for PR RO breach, or application for new PR card is denied based on negative Residency Determination).

Since the grant of the initial PR TD constitutes an adjudication affirming you have and retain PR status, after your first trip to Canada (after using the PR TD) you will still be able to leave and return to Canada so long as you can travel via the U.S. You will be entitled to enter Canada. There is a risk, however, of being reported. The risk of being reported, when seeking entry at land crossing from the U.S., should be minimal if you are settled and living in Canada, and the duration of the absence is short. The longer or more frequent the absence(s), particularly so in comparison to the amount of time spent in Canada, the greater the risk of being reported the next time you seek entry.

To travel to Canada via a commercial carrier, however, such as flying to Canada, unless and until you obtain a PR card, when you leave Canada you will then need a new PR TD to board a flight to return to Canada.

Technically, you similarly should be able to apply for and obtain a subsequent PR TD, since the grant of the initial PR TD constitutes an adjudication that, given H&C reasons, your PR status continues to be valid. However, a significant change in circumstances could justify denying you a PR TD on a subsequent occasion; in particular, an extended absence, particularly if in conjunction with minimal establishment in Canada, could result in a subsequent PR TD application being denied. As far as we can discern, in this regard Visa offices tend to be a lot more strict than PoE officials, with some Visa offices appearing to be more strict than others.



If a PR TD is denied, that decision may be appealed:

The refusal of the PR TD does NOT result in the automatic termination of PR status if the PR timely makes an appeal. If the decision is appealed, during the time the appeal is pending the PR still retains PR status. Thus, during that time the PR is still entitled to enter Canada and live and work in Canada (unless the PR already has a SIN, however, obtaining employment could be problematic).

Those who have been in Canada within the preceding year will ordinarily, upon separate application, be issued a special PR TD authorizing travel to Canada pending the appeal. Otherwise, despite being denied a PR TD the PR who appeals and is able to travel via the U.S., can then enter Canada by private transportation via a land crossing.

If the appeal is denied, then PR status is lost.
 

Leon

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Sure, he can appeal a refused PR TD but unless the PR TD was rejected in error, he will likely lose the appeal on the same grounds that that PR TD was denied. I'm not saying that a 2nd PR TD would necessarily be refused if he went back to his homeland for a week or two due to a family emergency for example but if he goes to Canada just to apply for his PR card and then returns to his home country for a year for example, I think it's very likely that a 2nd PR TD would be denied. In any case, he would be taking an unnecessary risk by leaving.

What I get from his posts is that he is not taking this seriously. He wants his PR back but he doesn't seem to be serious about returning to Canada. I am trying to make it clear to him that even if he gets the PR TD and even if he gets a new PR card, his PR status is not safe until he meets the RO of 2/5 years and continues to meet it in the future.