CONCORDIA vs WESTERN

[ajosephhh]

PGWP is entirely depends on your program length..not credit points...u ll get 3 years pgwp if u take 2 years master program even though if u complete the course in 1.5 years

(cic.gc.ca/english/study/work-postgrad-who.asp)

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So what have you planned to do Selva...
Yes Concordia has a 2 year masters program....

 

[wJaz]

So what have you planned to do Selva...
Yes Concordia has a 2 year masters program....

It depends on type of Masters. Some programs are 14 months while other make 16 months.

 

[ajosephhh]

They say it is possible to complete it in 1 year bcs ,if you study full time in summer rather than going for it off. You will still get 2 year work permit.
1:it depends on how many courses and credits you took. You can complete 45 credits in three or four terms. like taking 15 credits in each term and completing it in 1.5 years which is considered two year bcs every uni have different requirement.
fall 15 credits .
winter 15 credits
summer off
fall 15 credits
spring graduation

Now If you take summer too. It will be like this but it will not make any difference on ur work permit. You will still get 2 year work permit.
fall 15 credits
winter 15 crdits
summer 15 credits
fall graduation.

Thanks...How are you telling that i will still get a 2 year Work Permit even if i study only for 1.5 year (or 3 terms). Because it's clearly given in the CIC Website that,

If the official length of your program of study is:

*less than eight months
you are not eligible for this program

*less than two years but more than eight months
you may get a work permit for a period no longer than the length of your program of study (for example, if you studied for nine months, a work permit may be issued for a period of nine months)

*two years or more
a work permit may be issued for three years

So according to this, How long will i get PGWP... Why does Universities have such confusing M.Eng programs, why can't they make it a 2 year program...

 

[wJaz]

Thanks...How are you telling that i will still get a 2 year Work Permit even if i study only for 1.5 year (or 3 terms). Because it's clearly given in the CIC Website that,

If the official length of your program of study is:

*less than eight months
you are not eligible for this program

*less than two years but more than eight months
you may get a work permit for a period no longer than the length of your program of study (for example, if you studied for nine months, a work permit may be issued for a period of nine months)

*two years or more
a work permit may be issued for three years

So according to this, How long will i get PGWP... Why does Universities have such confusing M.Eng programs, why can't they make it a 2 year program...

Okay here's the answer.. basically it depends on your profile. Lets say Your profile is good.. You studies masters with exceptional grades and did some good work for university. So this may make u get the 3 years WP.

And sometimes there is the university Factor.. E.g U of T or Western University are great Business schools .. Someone getting Masters in Finance will 80% of the time will get something abovue 2 years of WP because of the the study and the quality of education.

It always depends on What actually you do in Canada. Like doing PG Diploma can gian u 2 years WP but its very odd someone would get that. I hope you understand.

* Quality Of Institution
* Quality Of Study
* Quality of Grades

And there's a big factor for skilled professional. Someone doing masters which is already in shortage in Canada may end up getting 3 years WP.


I hope it helps you.

 

[ajosephhh]

Okay here's the answer.. basically it depends on your profile. Lets say Your profile is good.. You studies masters with exceptional grades and did some good work for university. So this may make u get the 3 years WP.

And sometimes there is the university Factor.. E.g U of T or Western University are great Business schools .. Someone getting Masters in Finance will 80% of the time will get something abovue 2 years of WP because of the the study and the quality of education.

It always depends on What actually you do in Canada. Like doing PG Diploma can gian u 2 years WP but its very odd someone would get that. I hope you understand.

* Quality Of Institution
* Quality Of Study
* Quality of Grades

And there's a big factor for skilled professional. Someone doing masters which is already in shortage in Canada may end up getting 3 years WP.


I hope it helps you.

How is that possible when the rule clearly states that " only if the course is 2 year or more, you will get 3 year PGWP"

 

[Rossei]

How is that possible when the rule clearly states that " only if the course is 2 year or more, you will get 3 year PGWP"

I will again say that one is highly unlikely to get 3 years PGWP based on any masters program (research or course based). PGWP length normally doesn't exceed the exact duration of your degree.

 

[wJaz]

Yeah.. But in some cases they do get 3 years WP and people get it. Just look for your option and dont worry you will do perfect. Just follow the course and All will be okay.

 

[ajosephhh]

I will again say that one is highly unlikely to get 3 years PGWP based on any masters program (research or course based). PGWP length normally doesn't exceed the exact duration of your degree.

Yes, you are correct... There are some people giving wrong information, please do not give wrong info... I had enough and i called the international office and inquired about my problem, And they said
You cannot get 3 years PGWP, for the M.Eng program at Western... If i study for one year, i get 1 year PGWP. And if i study for 1.5 year ( 5 sems continuosly) i will get 1.5 year PGWP. And if i take 2 years to complete, they said no body will take 2 years (6 sems)... And even then i get 2 year PGWP only.....

Where as, in Concordia...its a 2 year Masters program (and we cannot complete in one year) and they clearly said, you will get 3 year PGWP....

So i advice everyone not to take M.Eng program which can be completed in one year...

 

[wJaz]

Yes, you are correct... There are some people giving wrong information, please do not give wrong info... I had enough and i called the international office and inquired about my problem, And they said
You cannot get 3 years PGWP, for the M.Eng program at Western... If i study for one year, i get 1 year PGWP. And if i study for 1.5 year ( 5 sems continuosly) i will get 1.5 year PGWP. And if i take 2 years to complete, they said no body will take 2 years (6 sems)... And even then i get 2 year PGWP only.....

Where as, in Concordia...its a 2 year Masters program (and we cannot complete in one year) and they clearly said, you will get 3 year PGWP....

So i advice everyone not to take M.Eng program which can be completed in one year...

Allright if you say the information i authentic allright!

 

[ajosephhh]

Allright if you say the information i authentic allright!

This is my emails to both the universities... This makes things clear..

1. Concordia:

Dear Sir / Madam

I am Jose and I have been offered admission for Graduate Master of Engineering (Electrical and Computer Engineering) program at Concordia University for Summer 2013 Term.And have an important issue which needs to be clarified,

I Believe my course is a 2 year course. Can you please tell me what will be the Post graduation Work permit (PGWP) duration i will get after graduating. Although the immigration rules states that "two years or more, a work permit may be issued for three years". My friend who studied this course at Concordia tells he only got 2 year PGWP, because its a 45 credit program and not 60 credit. Can you please clarify this for me, whether M.Eng students get 2 year PGWP or 3 year PGWP.

Good morning,

You are correct in that your program is usually completed within 2 academic years. In your case, you should be done with your Master's degree by April 30, 2015.

As for the post-graduation work permit, currently, students who complete a 2-year Master's program are eligible for a 3-year post-graduation work permit. Perhaps your friend's passport was expiring and that is why he/she received a post-graduation work permit valid for only 2 years.

Regards,

Delfine Lambert
Service Assistant
International Students Office
Concordia University

2. Western

Dear Sir / Madam

I am Jose and I am pleased to know that University of Western Ontario has approved my application for M.Eng in Electrical and Computer Engineering for Summer 2013 Term, And have an important issue which needs to be clarified,

Could you please let me know the actual(official) duration of the program (M.Eng in Electrical and Computer Eng) as the information in the university's website says that the program may be completed in 3 terms and must be completed within 6 terms, 2 Years. And also what would be considered as the course duration after program completion(usually college provides a letter for applying Post Graduation work permit for international students) - is it the official duration or the duration taken by the student to complete the course.

Thank you

Hello Joseph,

Thank you for your inquiry.

The website information means that the program can be completed within a minimum of 3 terms, and a maximum of 6 terms. For example, you cannot do one semester of study, take 3 years off, and come back to complete the rest, because this would exceed the maximum duration of 6 terms). Thus, the official duration of the program can vary, depending on your choice. The course duration for purposes of applying for work permits would be the amount of time you actually spend studying, so the duration would be 3 terms, even if you took time off between semesters. Now the maximum amount of time you can study is 6 terms and you will get a 2 year PGWP for that.

I hope this helps! Please direct any other admission-related questions to the M.Eng in Electrical and Computer Engineering itself.

Sincerely,

Rifaa
Administrative Assistant
Western University

 

[Rossei]

So i advice everyone not to take M.Eng program which can be completed in one year...

There are students who get into M.Eng in order to elevate their grades en route to PhD/MSc. There will be others who would feel just fine with 1 year PGWP. Practically speaking, one gets a job within the first year of graduation. The longer you look for job; the worse it gets. You may wonder why. The employer would definitely look at your profile and ask themselves why you weren't hired by anyone else.

If you look 5/6 years back, there wasn't any PGWP. Int'l students passing undergrad were given 90 days of grace to look for a job in their specific field of expertise w/o a permit upon graduation. If one got a job within that time-frame; he would be given a WP. But lot of companies didn't even come forward to hire an Int'l as he/she didn't even have a WP (it was hard to make them understand). I've seen these when I started my freshman year in Canada. I've seen good students getting frustrated not finding a work in their field. Then came PGWP for 1 year (it was probably employer-specific/closed). Soon after that, CIC made it OPEN for up to 3 years.

So, you/anyone else should consider yourself/himself lucky that you're getting 1~3 year PGWP now.

 

[ajosephhh]

There are students who get into M.Eng in order to elevate their grades en route to PhD/MSc. There will be others who would feel just fine with 1 year PGWP. Practically speaking, one gets a job within the first year of graduation. The longer you look for job; the worse it gets. You may wonder why. The employer would definitely look at your profile and ask themselves why you weren't hired by anyone else.

If you look 5/6 years back, there wasn't any PGWP. Int'l students passing undergrad were given 90 days of grace to look for a job in their specific field of expertise w/o a permit upon graduation. If one got a job within that time-frame; he would be given a WP. But lot of companies didn't even come forward to hire an Int'l as he/she didn't even have a WP (it was hard to make them understand). I've seen these when I started my freshman year in Canada. I've seen good students getting frustrated not finding a work in their field. Then came PGWP for 1 year (it was probably employer-specific/closed). Soon after that, CIC made it OPEN for up to 3 years.

So, you/anyone else should consider yourself/himself lucky that you're getting 1~3 year PGWP now.

The main thing is not only the work permit here, The M.Eng certificate too is important....
So Western's M.Eng can be completed within a year... Where is time for project, Industrial Internship etc etc....
Concordia has a 2 year program.. Min is 2 year and max 4 years.. And there is project + optional Industrial Internship too...
So Concordia's program is better, although the selection of courses are limited and low ranked than Western....

 

[ajosephhh]

To increase your confusion: there was a guy on this forum, he was awarded two years pgwp after studying masters in concordia. Some guys were saying its because its 45 credit hours program, not 60 as in other universities.

No.. Concordia's M.Eng course is a 2 year course.. And the University confirmed that one will get 3 year PGWP...

 

[ned09]

can any1 sum up the whole discussion?really confused

 

[ajosephhh]

can any1 sum up the whole discussion?really confused

Concordia's M.Eng Program is better, compared to Western's M.Eng program...
I am talking about only the course based M.Eng program, not about any other programs...