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Common-Law PR Sponsorship - Questions to Clarify

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Firstly, this forum is excellent! Has been very helpful as my boyfriend and I embark on preparing our common-law sponsorship application for PR in Canada. As we move through the paperwork we’ve come across several questions where we've read conflicting answers. Sorry for the length…

Background: I am a Canadian citizen and the sponsor. My boyfriend is Australian and there are no dependents or other family members attached to the application. We are applying outland via the Sydney Australia office. We have been together since September 2009 (I lived in Australia for the first year and half of our relationship, we did long distance for 9 months with a 5 week visit in between and he has been living in Canada since September 2011 through the working-holiday program.) We have been living together since he arrived in September 2011. His current work permit doesn’t expire until September 2015.

1: What date do you put as the date you entered a common law relationship? Would we put September 2011 or September 2012 (one year after we had officially been living together)?

2: Since my boyfriend is here on a valid work permit, he has a UCI number. Just to clarify, UCI are like our SIN’s and always stay the same? Just wondering if he should be noting this number on his application?

3: I think the answer is NO but…In the applicant package of paperwork, we are wondering whether I, as the sponsor and the common law partner, need to fill in IMM 5669 (schedule A – background/declaration) and IMM 5406 (additional family information)? It states the principal applicant, their spouse or common law partner must complete a copy, but since I am a Canadian citizen and the sponsor, do I need to? Is it safer to include?

4: Below is an initial list of supporting evidence which we feel adequately proves our relationship is genuine! (There may be a few items I’m missing – I’m writing from the top of my head)
(a) Does it seem adequate?
(b) Is there a particular order you’d recommend structuring?
(c) Our plan was to have Section A: Sponsorship Documents + additional documents; Section B: Applicant Documents + additional documents; and Section C: Supporting Evidence. My questions is whether we should package all our supporting evidence together and refer to it in our documents or should we separate based on when evidence is requested (i.e. IMM 5490 asks if you are in a common-law relationship- how do you answer that? Refer them to the supporting evidence section? List all the items you’ve included as supporting evidence? Seems redundant…)

- Personal letters from the sponsor and from the applicant
- Personal letters from each of our parents and a mutual friend we both knew before we met (friend letter to be notarized)
- 2 statutory declarations notarized from friends
- ~ 50 photos showing progression of our relationship and including photos with us both with groups of friends and family
- Copies of our leases
- Copies of tenant insurance
- Statements of joint savings, chequing and credit card account
- Copies showing that we are both beneficiary on things like our life insurance, private pension
- Copies showing that my partner is listed as my common-law partner/spouse on my work medical/dental plan and with our provincial medical plan
- Copies of my correspondence with friends in Canada that mention my partner (since I was living in Australia for the first year and half of our relationship)
- Proof of how we stayed in touch when we were long distance (record of skype chats, phone records, facebook messages)
- Copies of all our travel together including itineraries, boarding passes, reservations
- Mail addressed to either or both of us at our address
- Identity documents showing same address (driver’s license)
- Copies of share utilities accounts – showing that we each pay for expenses
 

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canadagirl2013 said:
Firstly, this forum is excellent! Has been very helpful as my boyfriend and I embark on preparing our common-law sponsorship application for PR in Canada. As we move through the paperwork we've come across several questions where we've read conflicting answers. Sorry for the length...

Background: I am a Canadian citizen and the sponsor. My boyfriend is Australian and there are no dependents or other family members attached to the application. We are applying outland via the Sydney Australia office. We have been together since September 2009 (I lived in Australia for the first year and half of our relationship, we did long distance for 9 months with a 5 week visit in between and he has been living in Canada since September 2011 through the working-holiday program.) We have been living together since he arrived in September 2011. His current work permit doesn't expire until September 2015.

1: What date do you put as the date you entered a common law relationship? Would we put September 2011 or September 2012 (one year after we had officially been living together)?
September 2012

2: Since my boyfriend is here on a valid work permit, he has a UCI number. Just to clarify, UCI are like our SIN's and always stay the same? Just wondering if he should be noting this number on his application?
UCI stays the same, SIN will be a new number once he's a PR

3: I think the answer is NO but...In the applicant package of paperwork, we are wondering whether I, as the sponsor and the common law partner, need to fill in IMM 5669 (schedule A – background/declaration) and IMM 5406 (additional family information)? It states the principal applicant, their spouse or common law partner must complete a copy, but since I am a Canadian citizen and the sponsor, do I need to? Is it safer to include?
Just the applicant has to fill out these forms

4: Below is an initial list of supporting evidence which we feel adequately proves our relationship is genuine! (There may be a few items I'm missing – I'm writing from the top of my head)
(a) Does it seem adequate?
(b) Is there a particular order you'd recommend structuring?
(c) Our plan was to have Section A: Sponsorship Documents + additional documents; Section B: Applicant Documents + additional documents; and Section C: Supporting Evidence. My questions is whether we should package all our supporting evidence together and refer to it in our documents or should we separate based on when evidence is requested (i.e. IMM 5490 asks if you are in a common-law relationship- how do you answer that? Refer them to the supporting evidence section? List all the items you've included as supporting evidence? Seems redundant...)

- Personal letters from the sponsor and from the applicant
- Personal letters from each of our parents and a mutual friend we both knew before we met (friend letter to be notarized)
- 2 statutory declarations notarized from friends
- ~ 50 photos showing progression of our relationship and including photos with us both with groups of friends and family
- Copies of our leases
- Copies of tenant insurance
- Statements of joint savings, chequing and credit card account
- Copies showing that we are both beneficiary on things like our life insurance, private pension
- Copies showing that my partner is listed as my common-law partner/spouse on my work medical/dental plan and with our provincial medical plan
- Copies of my correspondence with friends in Canada that mention my partner (since I was living in Australia for the first year and half of our relationship)
- Proof of how we stayed in touch when we were long distance (record of skype chats, phone records, facebook messages)
- Copies of all our travel together including itineraries, boarding passes, reservations
- Mail addressed to either or both of us at our address
- Identity documents showing same address (driver's license)
- Copies of share utilities accounts – showing that we each pay for expenses
You have plenty of proof. I organised my application in 3 parts: Sponsorship, Immigration and proof of relationship. But the way you want to organize it sounds fine, too.

The officers will re-organize your application anyways
 

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I think the response to the first question may be incorrect....I believe it should actually be September 2011 as that is the date you moved in together. I'll try to find some more clarification on this, but I know it was discussed in another thread here.
 

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Duber is correct on this one. Sept 2011 was when you actually entered into the common law relationship. Sept 2012 was when it became 'official' . You should use Sept 2011 as your date in application.
 

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Alurra71 said:
Duber is correct on this one. Sept 2011 was when you actually entered into the common law relationship. Sept 2012 was when it became 'official' . You should use Sept 2011 as your date in application.
Actually, I might not be...:( I found this tidbit on the CIC site, from the Inland app section...I'm trying to figure out if, for some reason, there's a contradictory note given for outland apps:


Enter the date (year, month, day) you were married or you entered into your current common-law relationship.

Note: This is the date your status officially changed from being single to common-law, not the date you started living together.
 

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DuberBlue said:
Actually, I might not be...:( I found this tidbit on the CIC site, from the Inland app section...I'm trying to figure out if, for some reason, there's a contradictory note given for outland apps:


Enter the date (year, month, day) you were married or you entered into your current common-law relationship.

Note: This is the date your status officially changed from being single to common-law, not the date you started living together.
huh ... interesting .... funny how it kind of negates the entire previous year of a relationship, at least in a way it does *shrugs* Bah, this is the gov't who knows what they are thinking! Ok, let me revise my previous statement.

It is whatever the gov't says it is! LOL
 
Nov 14, 2013
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Thanks for the advice. I guess I wonder, does it really matter in our case because regardless of whether we put Sept 2011 or Sept 2012, it is still over a year ago (we plan on submitting in January 2014)
 

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Alurra71 said:
huh ... interesting .... funny how it kind of negates the entire previous year of a relationship, at least in a way it does *shrugs* Bah, this is the gov't who knows what they are thinking! Ok, let me revise my previous statement.

It is whatever the gov't says it is! LOL
We applied through common law and used the actual 'start' date of our relationship. We had no issues with this, if we had put the 'official' date it would have looked like we were in a relationship for only a few months.

Not sure what the correct way is, another confusing CIC definition.
 

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I looked over the IMM 1344 section of the outland info on CIC and it says the same thing :p So either in two years they did a 180 on the definition, or the people on the phone were just wrong back then.

So little_apple appears to be correct :) In any case, whether it's 2011 or 2012, it's been a year, so the OP shouldn't have any issues there.
 

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DuberBlue said:
Actually, I might not be...:( I found this tidbit on the CIC site, from the Inland app section...I'm trying to figure out if, for some reason, there's a contradictory note given for outland apps:


Enter the date (year, month, day) you were married or you entered into your current common-law relationship.

Note: This is the date your status officially changed from being single to common-law, not the date you started living together.
The definition of this date from CIC is correct. For the first 11 months and 29 days of living together, you are NOT common-law. You only become common-law (officially "entered into your current common-law relationship") AFTER the 1 year date. Its the equivalent to getting married. Asking about the date you got married, you would put your wedding day... not the date you became engaged or something.

So you are supposed to put the date you reached the 1 year of living together. Keep in mind this is NOT asking when you entered into the relationship in general. You may have been dating long before that. Really it doesn't matter if you make a mistake and put the day you moved in together, and in fact many people do make this error. The VO can usually see the simple mistake, let it slide and luckily do not ask people to re-do the forms!
 

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canadagirl2013 said:
4: Below is an initial list of supporting evidence which we feel adequately proves our relationship is genuine! (There may be a few items I'm missing – I'm writing from the top of my head)
(a) Does it seem adequate?
(b) Is there a particular order you'd recommend structuring?
(c) Our plan was to have Section A: Sponsorship Documents + additional documents; Section B: Applicant Documents + additional documents; and Section C: Supporting Evidence. My questions is whether we should package all our supporting evidence together and refer to it in our documents or should we separate based on when evidence is requested (i.e. IMM 5490 asks if you are in a common-law relationship- how do you answer that? Refer them to the supporting evidence section? List all the items you've included as supporting evidence? Seems redundant...)
That is plenty of evidence, you guys will have no issues. There isn't really a specific order to put it all in. As someone above mentioned, CIC will rearrange it all anyways.

Because many of the questions, both sponsor and applicant, ask for the same proof, I think it's easier to just include it all separately from the forms. That way, you don't have to duplicate anything or refer to proof included with another form. For questions like the common-law one, we listed specifically what we had included. It is a bit redundant but you really want to spell it all out for them, don't take any chances!
 

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DuberBlue said:
I looked over the IMM 1344 section of the outland info on CIC and it says the same thing :p So either in two years they did a 180 on the definition, or the people on the phone were just wrong back then.

So little_apple appears to be correct :) In any case, whether it's 2011 or 2012, it's been a year, so the OP shouldn't have any issues there.
I know I am right because I did it wrong :p

The day we became a couple was the same day I moved in. April 2012. We applied for common-law exactly one year later in April 2013. But I put April 2012 in as the date we became common-law. Afterwards I heard it was wrong.

But many people do it wrong so there shouldn't be a problem.