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Citizenship test: Collective action required, or expect endless delays, years. Example of the effective lobbyng of people awaiting spousal sponsorship

QueenPeaches

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Canadian median wealth per capita you quote is news to me, but wikipedia agrees with you, so bravo on the find. I'm an investor, I go where the data leads me, and have no problem adjusting my views, but I will say the findings are at odds with personal experience. Compensation is night and day Canada vs the US in my line of work (I worked 5 years in NYC in a prior life) and the job market is shallow to the point of feeling provincial. I have similar feedback on compensation from friends in other professional fields... doctors, and techies. Ultimately, everybody's decision is based on what works individually for them, not country medians and averages. Before you ask why I'm even in Canada, there were a unique set of personal circumstances :)

Regarding the US, "obsession" is a strong word, but I do like the country having gone to grad school, worked a few years, and met my wife there, lol. I would urge you not to see an entire nation through the lens of Trump's most hard-right followers. America is a great country, with heaps of generous people, and incredible diversity. As is Canada, I hasten to add, before you threaten to deport me south, haha.

Ultimately, I see myself as a global citizen of Indian origin, and we raise our kids to think that way too. We have close friends in over a dozen countries, and many of those would make wonderful places to live, work and raise a family. Canada happens to be one of them. We will go where life and opportunities take us, and try to be productive members of any society while we live there. This fixation on nationality is a bit jarring and tribal. The "nation state" is a pretty recent idea within human history, the only reason it matters is because policies and governance reside within national boundaries. The EU is already showing that need not always be the case, and there is a more inclusive way forward.

I would love for Canada to be successful, and mine are professional observations. For example, *I think* Canada will have a far harder time printing money indefinitely compared to the US. I could be right on this, or I could be wrong. But every investor also needs to be a risk manager, and the risk manager in me suggests I should steer clear of the loonie. The last time the loonie was at parity, check what energy prices were on the chart from TD I linked above. Any bet the loonie could get there again, is a bet that oil goes above $100. I'm not a speculator, so that's not a call I can make.

Btw, I'm in agreement with your observation on Japan. If you look at the last 40 years per capita, Japan has performed only slightly worse than the US, including its 80s boom and 90s bust. It actually did better than Canada (and your favorite country NZ) during that period. But guess who did better than the US... Germany... so the problem is not with "socialism" (whatever that means) but what flavor you adopt. We have close friends in Munich, and have seen first hand how strong Germany's school system is. In comparison, Canada is dumbing things down for our kids at school, it's the saddest thing about the country. When we first came, we were really keen on public schools, and sent our eldest to one of TDSB's top-rated schools per EQAO and Fraser. The expectations from students and quality of instruction were so dismayingly low, that we felt compelled to move to a private school. Now the public schools in the US aren't great overall, but we have friends in NJ, TX, CA, MI who send their kids to good school districts, and each of them is happy. What on earth are we paying taxes for when a Toronto public school rated 8.5 by Fraser is so appallingly bad?!

I fear this is turning into a pointless conversation, so I'm going to post no further. Fully prepared for an onslaught that I'm an opportunist and not deserving of Canada's acceptance, lol. The one country for which I have tenderness in my heart is India, but sadly our kids may not feel that way. Such is life. Peace.
Very interesting read. Very articulate.
I don't even know where or how this particular 'argument' started, but it is refreshing to see an individual present his points in an informed and mature manner.
 

ott-613

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Am tired of this. Anyone here started petitions? We need a clear backlog from all paper based applications, enough is enough. Covid is not an excuse anymore. We are as vulnerable as other applicants. People are getting citizenship who applied February 2021. Meanwhile 2018-2019 application are stale.
 

raaj051

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Anyone have idea that after citizenship test, how long it will take to get scanned passport pages request or interview ? Your precious reply will highly appreciated
 

APSS112

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Hello.

Does anyone experience online citizenship test so far?
I am going to have it next week and it will be online because of COVID.
Any recommendation where to study or how exam looks like or any others will be much appreciated

Many Thanks !!
 

omarnabsws

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Beirut
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Visa Office......
Paris
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2174
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04-01-2017
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16-12-2016
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04-01-2017
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17-02-2017
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03-01-2017
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17-03-2017
Am tired of this. Anyone here started petitions? We need a clear backlog from all paper based applications, enough is enough. Covid is not an excuse anymore. We are as vulnerable as other applicants. People are getting citizenship who applied February 2021. Meanwhile 2018-2019 application are stale.

you probably are one of the unlucky ones who applied from Ottawa, like me. The laziest, slowest, most infuriating office by far. Dont even bother, just wait, and come and rant here from time to time like i do
 
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CaBeaver

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you probably are one of the unlucky ones who applied from Ottawa, like me. The laziest, slowest, most infuriating office by far. Dont even bother, just wait, and come and rant here from time to time like i do
What keeps me sane is ranting here.
 
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prash42

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Thank you for saying this. I realize a citizenship thread is a poor choice of venue to have these debates. Sadly it generated more heat than light, but may be that was to be expected. By definition, people here are interested in a smooth and quick path to receiving their Canadian passports, and I'm one of them too. Some are dealing with frustrating constraints on travel, family matters and professional opportunities, by not having that passport in hand yet.

But it does feel a bit like a Hollywood (or Bollywood) movie where people's interest is only whether the guy and the girl profess their undying love, and get married. But real life happens in the many decades after the wedding, doesn't it :) Hopefully, we take a pause to consider our long-term hopes and aspirations in a lifetime that will unfold after we get our Canadian passports.

Very interesting read. Very articulate.
I don't even know where or how this particular 'argument' started, but it is refreshing to see an individual present his points in an informed and mature manner.