Citizenship by birth - News Article

[sammystorm19]

This is a very interesting read.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/maternity-tourism-report-recommends-limiting-citizenship-by-birth-1.1974665

 

[orchidea]

I understand the reasoning behind that but It doesn't mean that a Canadian with one Canadian parent won't have a strong connection to Canada. :-X

 

[tink23]

I understand the reasoning behind that but It doesn't mean that a Canadian with one Canadian parent won't have a strong connection to Canada. :-X

Sorry, what are you concerned about, Orchidea? The article is saying that they ate thinking about passing a law that will mean that just because someone who is born to foreign parents ion Canadian soil, doesn't mean they will automatically get Canadian citizenship, which is the case right now. They don't want people to travel to Canada to give birth to their baby, just so the baby will have Canadian citizenship, because they have very little ties to Canada. People are doing this so that in the future their baby can sponsor them to Canada as an elder. People who do this maternity tourism are abusing the system, and not contributing anything to Canada, but then when their child turns 18 will then benefit from all of the systems in place, with no history in Canada, and no tie or loyalty to Canada.

 

[waiting110]

birth tourism

 

[mikeymyke]

People who do the birth tourism thing just so they can be sponsored when the kid turns 18, I wonder what were they thinking really?

They would have to wait 18 years for the kid to be an adult, plus the 4-5 years for the processing time, so that's 22-23 years total to get PR. Much quicker to come through a skilled worker stream.

 

[PMM]

Hi

People who do the birth tourism thing just so they can be sponsored when the kid turns 18, I wonder what were they thinking really?

They would have to wait 18 years for the kid to be an adult, plus the 4-5 years for the processing time, so that's 22-23 years total to get PR. Much quicker to come through a skilled worker stream.

Plus don't forget, the the kid would have to meet the LICO + 30% for 3 years before the sponsorship could be submitted.

 

[mikeymyke]

Yeah, and who knows, 18 years from now, they might even do a 1000 applications per year limit

 

[torontosm]

People who do the birth tourism thing just so they can be sponsored when the kid turns 18, I wonder what were they thinking really?

I don't think that's the sole reason. The child also gets access to free education, free healthcare and subsidized university education for life, and also benefits from the protection and convenience a Canadian passport afford. Plus, he/she can pass all of that on to his/her kids, and their kids as well! All for a price of a simple delivery (which can be free through volunteer clinics). What a scam.

 

[screech339]

Plus, he/she can pass all of that on to his/her kids, and their kids as well! All for a price of a simple delivery (which can be free through volunteer clinics). What a scam.

The canada born child would only be able to pass it one once to the child's child born outside Canada. After that, that child would not be able to pass it on outside Canada.

Screech339

 

[Avadava]

There is one aspect which puzzles me regarding the topic of birth tourism. Isn't this done mostly by visa exempt nationals, that can enter Canada without requiring a TRV?

Because for non-visa exempt nationals who require a TRV to visit Canada, in most cases they need to complete a medical exam for the TRV (with minor exceptions). So a pregnant woman would not be able to do the medical exam for the TRV, hence cannot enter Canada while pregnant.

This brings up a new question. Visa exempt nationals do not require a visa because their country has been deemed less likely to commit immigration fraud. So isn't birth tourism a way of circumventing immigration laws and thus committing immigration fraud on the long term?

On a different note, I personally think it would be a good idea to implement such a rule, that one parent must be either a citizen or PR in order for the child to receive Canadian citizenship at birth. It's the fairest and less complicated way, if this birth tourism ends up being more common and more threatening for the Canadian population. And no, I am not a Canadian citizen nor a PR(yet).

 

[tink23]

There is one aspect which puzzles me regarding the topic of birth tourism. Isn't this done mostly by visa exempt nationals, that can enter Canada without requiring a TRV?

Because for non-visa exempt nationals who require a TRV to visit Canada, in most cases they need to complete a medical exam for the TRV (with minor exceptions). So a pregnant woman would not be able to do the medical exam for the TRV, hence cannot enter Canada while pregnant.

This brings up a new question. Visa exempt nationals do not require a visa because their country has been deemed less likely to commit immigration fraud. So isn't birth tourism a way of circumventing immigration laws and thus committing immigration fraud on the long term?

On a different note, I personally think it would be a good idea to implement such a rule, that one parent must be either a citizen or PR in order for the child to receive Canadian citizenship at birth. It's the fairest and less complicated way, if this birth tourism ends up being more common and more threatening for the Canadian population. And no, I am not a Canadian citizen nor a PR(yet).

Most countries requiring a visa don't need to do a medical exam for a TRV. My husband is from Dominican Republic and anyone I know from there hasn't even been required to get a medical exam when applying.

 

[screech339]

Most countries that require a TRV to enter Canada not required to under go medical test. The only time a medical test is required if you intend to immigrate to Canada to work or study or seeking PR.

Perhaps those from non-visa exempt countries that require medical test are probably from area that has prevalent transmissible / communicable diseases. Again I don't see anywhere on CIC website that medical tests are required for TRV.

My wife was able to get a TRV without any medical test done and she was from a non-visa exempt country.

Screech339

 

[Avadava]

I stand corrected, most of the non-visa exempt countries do not require a medical for TRV, but there are situations when they do.

"If you plan to visit for six months or less:
You generally do not require a medical exam, unless you plan to work in certain occupations (see below).

"If you plan to visit for more than six months:
You will need a medical exam if you:

have lived temporarily for six or more consecutive months
in one or more of these countries or territories *
in the one year immediately before the date you want to enter Canada. (This applies even if you are a citizen of a country that does not need a visa to enter Canada.) or
will come to Canada to work in an occupation in which public health must be protected. See below for jobs for which you need a medical exam.
apply for a Parent and Grandparent Super Visa.
If you are still not sure if you need a medical exam, consult a visa office near you. If you do need a medical exam, the visa office will tell you how to proceed."

* http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/medical/dcl.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/medical/medexams-temp.asp

 

[screech339]

I stand corrected, most of the non-visa exempt countries do not require a medical for TRV, but there are situations when they do.

"If you plan to visit for six months or less:
You generally do not require a medical exam, unless you plan to work in certain occupations (see below).

"If you plan to visit for more than six months:
You will need a medical exam if you:

have lived temporarily for six or more consecutive months
in one or more of these countries or territories *
in the one year immediately before the date you want to enter Canada. (This applies even if you are a citizen of a country that does not need a visa to enter Canada.) or
will come to Canada to work in an occupation in which public health must be protected. See below for jobs for which you need a medical exam.
apply for a Parent and Grandparent Super Visa.
If you are still not sure if you need a medical exam, consult a visa office near you. If you do need a medical exam, the visa office will tell you how to proceed."

* http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/medical/dcl.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/medical/medexams-temp.asp

Note the first part of your message:

"If you plan to visit for six months or less:
You generally do not require a medical exam, unless you plan to work in certain occupations (see below).

The majority, if not all, fall into this category, when they apply for TRV. Majority of those who apply for TRV will not need to get medical test done.

Note that medical test is required if you plan to stay in Canada for more than 6 months. When you enter Canada, you only get 6 months max. So when people apply for TRV, they may be planning on staying longer than 6 months BUT they are NOT going to tell CIC that. They know TRV will get denied. So the majority will say that they visit for 1 week or 2. Once they got the TRV, they can stay for 6 months or longer once inside Canada all without medical requirement.

 

[Christoph100]

A lot of this birthing tourism is actually being driven by MONEY, There are many hospitals here in Canada that are quietly promoting this because it brings in foreign funds into our country. Most of these people have to pay the hospital for the services they use. Then we get into the whole less medical services issue for our own citizens here in Canada