Citizen ship

[ar_fabrics]

Hi seniors
Please give me advise regarding following points
@ Became PR 12 June 2011.
@ Me & My wife Remain here & My 3 children went back to home country
@ In Feb 14 my elder son age 16 year shifted here and got admission
@ MY two children are still lives ages 13 & 9 studying in home country
@ I will complete my 1095 days in June & my wife will complete in oct 14.
My question are
1-Should I apply citizenship with my wife in oct or now .
2-Can I apply with all my children even two younger are still in home country
3- with my citizenship application does I need to send of school records of my children not studying here
4- can I send my employment letter & t4 slips with application
5- what is effect on my application regarding my two children who are not living with us.
6- Passport copy only biographical page or send copies of all pages with application
Advance thanks to all.

 

[c0mputer]

answers
1. Now
2.No
3.No that will not count
4. No
5.if they can not prove their presence in Canada for 1095 days in last four years they can not get citizenship.
6.copies of the pages that has stamps -information - in and out entries and your names and other identification information - do not send empty pages copied from passport that won't do anything.

if you are meeting your eligibility criteria then please go ahead , do not risk of slow down/delayed because others not matching and/or eligible enough to get it done ATM ..
apply separately and do it separately - remember this all all about applicant proving themselves their stay for more then 1095 days in Canada in last four years.

 

[ar_fabrics]

What will happen when PR card of my children who don't meet residency obligation expired?

 

[Intel]

The issue here is that your away children have the risk of losing their PR status because they are staying abroad for too long. They must maintain residence for 730 days every 5 years to maintain the PR status. They cannot become citizens if they lose their PR status.

As for your questions:
1- You should apply now if you meet the requirement. Also I understand from what you wrote that your 16yo child is here and so you can apply for him as minor. Since you became PR in June 2011, then your eldest child can still meet the PR residency.
2-No you cannot apply for your away children specially if they are away for more than 3 years. In case they are away for more than 3 years and CIC knows about this, they will lose their PR.
3-With your application, you should send all school records for your children for the last 4 years regardless if they studied here or abroad. CIC knows already that you have 3 school-aged children and will return the application for the missing records or the explanation letters for not providing them.
4- If the employment letter is not requested in the instructions, then you should not sent it. However, I read that several applicants had did that and yet some of them still got RQ. Therefore sending extra documents may not prevent you from receiving RQ.
5-Minors do not have to meet the citizenship residency requirement. However, they must maintain the PR status until the oath.
6-When I applied, I was asked for the biographical pages for all the passports covering the preceeding 4 years. If the instructions are the same then you should do the same as well.


What will happen if the PR cards of your aborad children expire? If they do not lose the PR status before that time, they will lose it when they will try to apply for a PR travel document seeking re-entry to Canada through a Canadian embassy abroad. They cannot apply for a new PR card outside Canada.

 

[ar_fabrics]

Thanks for reply in detail.Please also tell me copy of Passport should be on full page or should be according to passport pages

 

[ar_fabrics]

Photo copies of PR or driving licence, health card & landing paper both side as original or on two pages or on one page ( both sides on one page )

 

[Intel]

Photo copies of PR or driving licence, health card & landing paper both side as original or on two pages or on one page ( both sides on one page )

Both sides on one page.

For the passport, just be sure to have a clear and size-unaltered photocopy for all biographical pages (including renewal pages).

 

[ar_fabrics]

Dear Intel
First of all thanks for reply my thread. I have two question regarding filling of application. For example in address portion 3 line are filled . Balance lines in same portion should be empty or we write N/A. For example I will submit my application in June 2014 & we will start from June 2010 . In this year we live in home country .

 

[eileenf]

Hi Ar_fabrics,
I encourage you to call the CIC call centre to verify, but minor applicants (below 18 years old) do not have to meet the residency obligation for citizenship (1095 days). As Intel said, they do have to be current permanent residents at the time of application and at the time of grant of citizenship (thus, they need to maintain the PR residence obligation of 730 days out of any 5 years up until citizenship is granted) and they have to be applying on the application of a parent or guardian who has meet the citizenship qualifications.

Please check with CIC as to whether they need to be in Canada in order to apply for citizenship. If it is okay for you can apply for them when they live abroad, you should certainly do so, but also know that children living outside the country will understandably raise the suspicions of CIC officers regarding whether you may also be living outside of Canada. It will likely slow down the processing of your application and trigger RQ.

Thus, it is very important for you and your family to plan to meet the PR residence obligation for the foreseeable future.

Good luck.

 

[ar_fabrics]

Thanks

 

[Intel]

Please check with CIC as to whether they need to be in Canada in order to apply for citizenship. If it is okay for you can apply for them when they live abroad, you should certainly do so, but also know that children living outside the country will understandably raise the suspicions of CIC officers regarding whether you may also be living outside of Canada. It will likely slow down the processing of your application and trigger RQ.

Hi eileenf,

My reply to ar_fabrics was based on my personal experience. My son was abroad with his mother for about two years since landing. To avoid complications, I waited for him to arrive prior applying as I got mixed responses regarding his eligibility to apply with me.

The only certain information I got at that time is that my son should maintain his PR status until the grant of his citizenship. When we applied, my son was far from breaching the PR residency obligation. Since then, he stayed with me here in Canada until we became Canadians.

Anyway, I agree with you. CIC is the only one to confirm if ar_fabrics can apply on behalf of his away children.

Dear Intel
First of all thanks for reply my thread. I have two question regarding filling of application. For example in address portion 3 line are filled . Balance lines in same portion should be empty or we write N/A. For example I will submit my application in June 2014 & we will start from June 2010 . In this year we live in home country .

You should mention your addresses in the preceding 4 years; including your home country addresses. As I remember, it is mentioned in the instructions not to leave time gaps in addresses.

 

[eileenf]

Hi eileenf,

My reply to ar_fabrics was based on my personal experience. My son was abroad with his mother for about two years since landing. To avoid complications, I waited for him to arrive prior applying as I got mixed responses regarding his eligibility to apply with me.

The only certain information I got at that time is that my son should maintain his PR status until the grant of his citizenship. When we applied, my son was far from breaching the PR residency obligation. Since then, he stayed with me here in Canada until we became Canadians.

Thanks for the personal experience. Your approach makes a lot of sense and I absolutely agree that the key point is maintaining PR until citizenship. I suspect that legally, PR children are probably allowed to apply for citizenship from overseas, but practically speaking, this right would be useless unless there is a plan for the child to move to Canada in the near future. Anyone applying for citizenship from outside of Canada will not experience speedy processing of their files and thus will likely be at risk for breach of PR residency obligation.

 

[ar_fabrics]

If I apply alone is my children who are living in my home country will create doubt in mind of citizenship officer ?

 

[Michels]

Canadian citizenship is granted for residents who prove that they built strong ties with Canada and are planning to keep those the remainder of their lives (mainly).
This is the reason why residency is one of the way to demonstrate those set ties, however it is rather a balance at the end that tips this way or the other in a grant decision.
Having your children abroad, while you are here with youre wife , is a strong ground for an RQ, and for denial.. There was a case last year where a Lebanse women lost here appeal for grant of citizenship.. She lived all the 1095 days here, had a house, her children were here.. However after applying she left a year or so afterwards back home and CIC was able to prove this way the loss of ties, or non intention to reside.

Bill c24 that became a law recently centers around solving and cracking such cases, the so called citizenship of convenience seekers.
I am not saying that your case is one, however your case looks very similar and you should consider how you will demonstrate building strong ties with Canada while the core of your family is abroad.


Regards

 

[ar_fabrics]

Thanks for Reply.