CIC should revise this express entry system

[erguan]

PNP general category is what itainttrue should try, it will give him 600 points + other way than EE.

IMHO:
itainttrue (or his wife) should put more effort and increase his points=chances instead of blaming government (which is obviously much smarter then one in his own country) and making victim of himself.

BTW I am international graduate and don't think that I am treated somehow unfairly as there are a lot of ways for PGWP holder to obtain PR.

cheers

 

[mf4361]

PNP general category is what itainttrue should try, it will give him 600 points + other way than EE.

Unless s/he is in BC, the PNP-EE route is an endless waiting game.

 

[mead]

Unless s/he is in BC, the PNP-EE route is an endless waiting game.

BC has suspended their PNP for 90 days and we should expect changes. BC is getting difficult too i wish i am wrong.

 

[mf4361]

BC has suspended their PNP for 90 days and we should expect changes. BC is getting difficult too i wish i am wrong.

Thanks for the update. At least they made progress, unlike all other provinces.

 

[The_Distant_One]

BC has suspended their PNP for 90 days and we should expect changes. BC is getting difficult too i wish i am wrong.

That is incorrect, BCPNP is still processing express entry applications. Thay have suspended paper based applications.

http://www.welcomebc.ca/Immigrate/About-the-BC-PNP.aspx

Several people on this forum have said they have walked their paper work into the pnp office and recieved the express entry 600 points within ten days.

 

[erguan]

while waiting for the process to be carried out, directly go with PNP. Not sure other provinces, Ontario offers processing time of 3 + 3 + ?
At least 6 months later, one can apply for bridge open work permit which is long but a certain path to PR.

Unless s/he is in BC, the PNP-EE route is an endless waiting game.

 

[Kucuy15]

oh wow, now you want to bring education into this?
I'd be surprised if you have achieved HALF of what I have in school to be honest.

I just read this thread and I am very shocked at your situation itainttrue! I am applying as a FSW from out of Canada with NO canadian experience or education and with a spouse (for whom I did not claim any points either, just like you) and I got ranked in EE only 6 points higher than you (454) and hence I was lucky enough to get an ITA on the sixth draw. I am wondering what made my score higher than yours? Is there any chance you could improve some of the fields to increase your score? I do have a master's degree from a US university and 5+ years of experience in both US and my homecountry (where I am applying from), and I don't know if that may be the difference?

I hope you get an ITA very soon, and I agree with you... It sucks that it is so hard for you to rank higher when you have all the right qualifications

Best of lucks!

 

[nuksyed]

I have to agree with OP here.
I have spent 7 years in Canada. Most of these years have been in my adult life(over 18 years of age). I have adapted perfectly into the system and now work in a very good company. I spend thousands studying here, and have a very good network of friends and colleagues.
Although I am happy for them, it is still very disappointing to see people who have no connections to Canada whatsoever, easily getting more points than me based on their international experience or lmo. I agree that everyone deserves a fair chance to live here, but if you are giving an advantage to those who will do the work because a Canadian doesn't want to, why is there no advantage given to someone who is a professional CURRENTLY working in Canada? We speak excellent English and have no issues communicating; but someone with lower IELT scores and education still gets more points than us?
Why even bother creating the Canadian Experience Class then when you are judging us with people from other classes?
I understand there is nothing we can do about it. But just joining the rant lol.

 

[mead]

I have to agree with OP here.
I have spent 7 years in Canada. Most of these years have been in my adult life(over 18 years of age). I have adapted perfectly into the system and now work in a very good company. I spend thousands studying here, and have a very good network of friends and colleagues.
Although I am happy for them, it is still very disappointing to see people who have no connections to Canada whatsoever, easily getting more points than me based on their international experience or lmo. I agree that everyone deserves a fair chance to live here, but if you are giving an advantage to those who will do the work because a Canadian doesn't want to, why is there no advantage given to someone who is a professional CURRENTLY working in Canada? We speak excellent English and have no issues communicating; but someone with lower IELT scores and education still gets more points than us?
Why even bother creating the Canadian Experience Class then when you are judging us with people from other classes?
I understand there is nothing we can do about it. But just joining the rant lol.

ur right i think putting FSW and CEC together in express entry is a mistake but again its just my opinion people will disagree.we r feeling the pain so we r disappointed .

 

[nuksyed]

ur right i think putting FSW and CEC together in express entry is a mistake but again its just my opinion people will disagree.we r feeling the pain so we r disappointed .

Well the thing is, here we are talking about opinions, and everyone has their own opinion based on their experience and the facts.
We have the right to our opinion, CIC has the right to their decision. I just don't see the point of having different classes and stream if everyone is judged based on the points system. I was under the assumption last year that I would complete one year of my work, and then move on to apply for CEC and 13 months later, I would be a PR.

I just can't get my head around why they would put us all in the same bowl. It would have been unfair to FSW or PNP if they suddenly have us 600 points more than them for being eligible for CEC. Meh..

 

[nuksyed]

wow...talking to pets would be easier.

I've mentioned again and again and again and again "HOW" the government has been saying one thing to the OUTSIDE WORLD and doing another INSIDE and "WHY" people got mad because of that but all you keep saying is "this is how it should be, they are doing exactly what they said they'd do, you should be grateful cuz they are still giving you opportunity, etc".

If you are going to keep saying something else and avoid the key points that I, and many others apparently, are bringing up, why bother commenting?
What you are doing is not a discussion.

I have agreed to some of the facts that you and ButterflyChemist mentioned, like Canada not owing anything to us, etc, and explained why I and many others in my situations are mad under the new system but you fail to understand what others are saying and why they are saying that and kept blabbering on and on about the same thing repeatedly without commenting directly on any of the key points I've made.

Let me tell you one thing, I've been here long enough, and far longer than you, to know that this isn't how Canada said they would treat people who grew up here, had Canadian education, and gained Canadian experience in the past.
Maybe you only care about the present cuz it's none of your concern but for people like me, it means everything because we have spent our youth here, adopted to Canadian society, spent a fortune on tuition to get educated IN CANADA, played by their rules until this day only to find out that they started treating us as job-stealers.

If you are going to keep playing "this is their country. they can do whatever they want with it. be grateful that you still have the opportunity" card and deny us of a right to feel mad about it, then you live up to your words.

Don't feel mad if you are running your own business in a rented shop and the landlord suddenly raises rental fee.
Be grateful that you still get to keep your business if you paid more.

Don't feel mad when you go to your favorite restaurant and find out that they are closed on a day that they aren't supposed to be.
Be grateful that you still get to come back the next day.

Don't feel mad if you are in a school and your professor has given you an F for you not making it into top 20%.
Be grateful that you have the opportunity to retake the class by paying more tuition.

Don't feel mad when you go to a hair salon right on your booking time and find that they are dealing with another customer.
Be grateful that they will still provide service to you after they are done with another customer.

Don't feel mad if you get fired today, because on the bright side, you get to go for another job.

Because just like you said, they can do whatever they want with it and according to you, you don't get to be mad about it.

Some good points that I totally agree with. But everyone needs to relax on this thread LOL.
I just don't get the point of me being CEC, you being PNP, him being LMO and her being FSW, when we are all put in the same pool. I hope I had a contact in CIC to suggest that question to.

 

[mead]

Well the thing is, here we are talking about opinions, and everyone has their own opinion based on their experience and the facts.
We have the right to our opinion, CIC has the right to their decision. I just don't see the point of having different classes and stream if everyone is judged based on the points system. I was under the assumption last year that I would complete one year of my work, and then move on to apply for CEC and 13 months later, I would be a PR.

I just can't get my head around why they would put us all in the same bowl. It would have been unfair to FSW or PNP if they suddenly have us 600 points more than them for being eligible for CEC. Meh..

i agree. putting us all in one bowl is what has created that situation where they cannot give us 600 points . i feel the same way like u was hoping to get 1 year experience and then CEC sure way to get PR now everything is unpredictable ...when will i be selected. can I go back to my home country will my life be all disrupted and will have to start back again from stretch

 

[nuksyed]

i agree. putting us all in one bowl is what has created that situation where they cannot give us 600 points . i feel the same way like u was hoping to get 1 year experience and then CEC sure way to get PR now everything is unpredictable ...when will i be selected. can I go back to my home country will my life be all disrupted and will have to start back again from stretch

Precisely. On a completely different note, even if we do end up getting PR; some people have no idea how much stress we had to deal with lol. WP, SP, Work permit renewal, passport renewal, visa, visa renewals, PGWP, PR, etc etc lol.

 

[kateg]

I've had it with this Express Entry system.
CIC should revise this system as soon as possible.
...
I got hired after competing with Canadian citizens because of my skill set
but I get no bonus points for working for a regular Canadian company.
Legit Canadian companies like mine can't come up with a reason to apply for LMIA because I competed for the position with Canadians fair and square.

In other words, Express Entry is working as designed. You take a job away from a Canadian, and don't have enough other factors (including age) to get you an ITA on your own.

You're an immigrant. You took a job away from a Canadian. You're surprised that they don't reward you with extra points for that? If you want the 600 points, go find an employer who can get a LMIA, where you aren't competing with Canadians for jobs.

 

[kateg]

and let me ask you this then, do you think it's fair to give people with LMO/LMIA 600 bonus points and 0 bonus to people who got hired by competing with local people fair and square and are working currently?

Absolutely. If anything, they should never have given the PGWPs in the first place. Canadian unemployment is bad enough.

Everyone knows already that LMOs have been used mostly by people who can't get proper jobs in Canadian companies so that they can get hired by companies/owners that want to make them work like slaves.

That's why they made it harder, the penalties harsher, the costs higher.

I'm not trying to downgrade them but if those people get 600 bonus points for holding LMO, why can't people with proper jobs in Canada get any bonus points?

Because the immigrants on PGWPs take jobs away from Canadians. If they aren't taking jobs, their employer can get a LMIA.

It's not a hard concept to understand.