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itsmyid

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https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/ViewsOnImmigration-en.aspx?_ga=1.91927386.1599696099.1330634748

I fully support paying higher fees for expedite processing -- CIC always blames lack of funding and resources for slow processing, if some people want to pay more to get faster processing, it would provide extra funding for CIC to hire more people and invest in better technology, eventually make it faster for everybody, it is a win-win situation
 

quasar81

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itsmyid said:
https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/ViewsOnImmigration-en.aspx?_ga=1.91927386.1599696099.1330634748

I fully support paying higher fees for expedite processing -- CIC always blames lack of funding and resources for slow processing, if some people want to pay more to get faster processing, it would provide extra funding for CIC to hire more people and invest in better technology, eventually make it faster for everybody, it is a win-win situation


Thanks for sharing.
I encourage everyone to fill the form.VERY IMPORTANT FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITY
What other voices we have apart from voting Liberals, who have done minimal themselves.

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My answers in BOX 1:

Citizenship and Permanent Resident Card applications from existing immigrants should not be thrown in "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" boxes, and then forgotten for YEARS(yes) and months. Horrible processing times for immigrants who are already here.

Answering your question of how many immigrants you should welcome: You should welcome as many immigrants whose Citizenship and PR card renewal files you can process in 3-6months time frame. Don't harass existing immigrants with "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" gathering dust..

My answer in BOX 2:
No input

My answer in BOX 3:
Citizenship and Permanent Resident Card applications from existing immigrants should not be thrown in "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" boxes, and then forgotten for YEARS(yes) and months. Horrible processing times for immigrants who are already here.

Answering your question of techniques in processing applications: TAKE MORE FEE, HIRE MORE STAFF, CITIZENSHIP JUDGES, BUT PROCESS FAST AS WELL. Current processing times are a harassment. You should welcome as many immigrants whose Citizenship and PR card renewal files you can process in 3-6months time frame. Don't harass existing immigrants with "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" gathering dust..

My answer in BOX 4:
No input

In the end, I checked to make my response confidential.

_____________________________________________________________________________________


https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/ViewsOnImmigration-en.aspx?_ga=1.91927386.1599696099.1330634748
PLEASE FILL THE FORM ABOVE SO THAT THEY NOTICE THE HORRIBLE PROCESSING TIMES ON "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire".
 

rezafc

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quasar81 said:
Thanks for sharing.
I encourage everyone to fill the form.VERY IMPORTANT FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITY
What other voices we have apart from voting Liberals, who have done minimal themselves.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________


My answers in BOX 1:

Citizenship and Permanent Resident Card applications from existing immigrants should not be thrown in "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" boxes, and then forgotten for YEARS(yes) and months. Horrible processing times for immigrants who are already here.

Answering your question of how many immigrants you should welcome: You should welcome as many immigrants whose Citizenship and PR card renewal files you can process in 3-6months time frame. Don't harass existing immigrants with "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" gathering dust..

My answer in BOX 2:
No input

My answer in BOX 3:
Citizenship and Permanent Resident Card applications from existing immigrants should not be thrown in "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" boxes, and then forgotten for YEARS(yes) and months. Horrible processing times for immigrants who are already here.

Answering your question of techniques in processing applications: TAKE MORE FEE, HIRE MORE STAFF, CITIZENSHIP JUDGES, BUT PROCESS FAST AS WELL. Current processing times are a harassment. You should welcome as many immigrants whose Citizenship and PR card renewal files you can process in 3-6months time frame. Don't harass existing immigrants with "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire" gathering dust..

My answer in BOX 4:
No input

In the end, I checked to make my response confidential.

_____________________________________________________________________________________


https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/ViewsOnImmigration-en.aspx?_ga=1.91927386.1599696099.1330634748
PLEASE FILL THE FORM ABOVE SO THAT THEY NOTICE THE HORRIBLE PROCESSING TIMES ON "Secondary Reviews", CIT0520, "Residential Questionnaire".
Now 'Harassment' is a strong word isn't it?
 

quasar81

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rezafc said:
Now 'Harassment' is a strong word isn't it?
Ask someone who has submitted Citizenship application in 2014, 'after' fulfilling their 3 year requirements, and waiting till date for something to come out of the black box. That person missed a chance to vote due to that black box. Ask him about where their application stands, which they don't know as black box won't tell anything but wait.
 

Asker302

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itsmyid said:
I fully support paying higher fees for expedite processing -- CIC always blames lack of funding and resources for slow processing, if some people want to pay more to get faster processing, it would provide extra funding for CIC to hire more people and invest in better technology, eventually make it faster for everybody, it is a win-win situation
Good suggestion. Thanks for the link
 

Loulou79

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Good suggestion. Thanks for the link
they have already increased the fees by more than the double. have they expedited the process as promised? NO. Whats the point then?
 

rezafc

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Wow some of you guys need to chill out! I know it is annoying to wait for years, but enjoy your life, cherish every moment. There are thousands of thousands waiting in line just to get their PR and yet you are nagging over a passport? Take a good look at yourself, what is next? I'm sure after your passports you will find another excuse to chew on!

Just sayin'
 

dpenabill

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Loulou79 said:
they have already increased the fees by more than the double. have they expedited the process as promised? NO. Whats the point then?
Aside from the fact that the fees are already a huge burden for many immigrants, especially those with families, actually processing times have decreased by a lot. That said, there was NO promise to "expedite" the process. Processing times were so long as to be unreasonable. The promise was to reduce those times toward more reasonable processing times, not to expedite applications generally. And indeed, processing times have improved (vastly so compared to two years ago).

Moreover, a huge part of the blame for lengthy processing times belongs to scores of applicants for citizenship, and similarly for scores of PRs applying for new PR cards, given the extent to which so many recklessly make an application even though they barely meet the minimum requirements. Consider how many citizenhship applications there were by applicants with less than 1150 days physical presence under the old requirements, and how many appear to be applying now with less than 1500 days physical presence under the current requirements. These applicants outright demand elevated scrutiny, further inquiries, and longer processing, all of which taxes the limited resources of IRCC resulting in longer processing times for everyone.

Similarly for the scores of PRs who are not actually permanently residing in Canada, thus not really in fact permanent residents, seeking to renew their Permanent Resident status card based on barely meeting the minimum residency obligation for retaining PR status. These individuals likewise share a huge amount of the blame for long PR card processing times, and yet ironically many in turn blame IRCC because their cases demand elevated scrutiny, further inquiries, and longer processing times . . . again, taxing the limited resources of IRCC resulting in longer processing times for everyone.




itsmyid said:
I fully support paying higher fees for expedite processing -- CIC always blames lack of funding and resources for slow processing, if some people want to pay more to get faster processing, it would provide extra funding for CIC to hire more people and invest in better technology, eventually make it faster for everybody, it is a win-win situation

As to increasing fees as a means of paying for faster service: that would be contrary to Canada's values. In Canada affluence, the ability to pay, should have little or no influence in providing government services.

While there are some services for which the federal and provincial governments do provide expedited services for an additional fee, these are limited and in particular are available only for entirely administrative functions (such as provinces which will expedite issuance of marriage or birth certificates for an additional fee, or the federal government expediting the issuance of passports).

Relative to Canadian values, the concept of expedited processing of citizenship applications for an additional fee, in contrast, would be an anathema.


itsmyid said:
CIC is asking for suggestions

https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/ViewsOnImmigration-en.aspx?_ga=1.91927386.1599696099.1330634748
Actually it is Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), which is soliciting input from the public, recognizing that CIC has not existed since last year. The difference may seem to be largely symbolic, but as this particular action by IRCC illustrates, there are real substantive differences between how IRCC, under Liberal leadership, is approaching immigration compared to how CIC operated under Conservative leadership.

In terms of opportunities to make suggestions, in particular, CIC did things like make huge policy and practice changes without any input, none at all, not from the public, not from Parliament, not from the Conservative caucus even, not from stakeholders, not even any real input from those at CIC who did the work and had the experience in actually implementing immigration policies and practices. The most salient example of this was OB 407 in April 2012, which was so disastrous it nearly shut down citizenship application processing for six or eight months and resulted in a huge backlog of RQ'd cases (in which the overwhelming majority of applicants affected were qualified) that delayed citizenship for many tens of thousands, and for many the delay was more than a year, even two years or more. That scheme was conceived, drafted, and fully composed within a small circle in Harper's PMO, and it appears that much or most of it was designed by one person, Benjamin Perrin, in consultation with only Harper and Kenney.


All that said, I suspect many immigrants do not agree with what many or most of the Canadian public will advocate. Which is to acknowledge that the result of public consultations may have, in the view of many in a forum like this, a more negative impact on immigration policies and practices.


Points to advocate from my perspective:

I tend to steer clear of how-it-should-be most of the time, so as to clearly separate observations about how-it-really-is (toward helping some to navigate the process and, if possible, avoid pitfalls), but of course I do have some views about how this or that might be improved.

To my view, one of the biggest issues right now is that applicants for citizenship do not have a right to appeal a negative decision. The capacity to ask the Federal Court for permission to obtain judicial review does not provide sufficient judicial oversight of the process. It is particularly unfair given that IRCC does have a right of appeal.

Another huge area of unfairness is the current law regarding cessation of refugee status automatically resulting in loss of PR status, no matter how long the individual has been a PR, no matter how well or long established in Canada the PR is, and with no consideration for H&C factors. This was a draconian change implemented in December 2012, which similar to OB 407 was probably a Harper-Perrin-Kenney plan adopted and implemented with virtually no consultation outside the PMO. At the least, unless cessation proceedings have already been commenced, once such a PR is qualified for citizenship and applies for citizenship, that individual should be allowed to have his or her citizenship application processed and if qualified allowed to become a citizen.

And then there is the ongoing issue of transparency. While IRCC, under Liberal leadership, appears to be trending toward more transparency than there was under the Harper government, there is still a great deal of room for improvement. There will always be a tug-of-war between transparency and efficient governing, but people should be able to see how their government actually works.
 

quasar81

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rezafc said:
Wow some of you guys need to chill out! I know it is annoying to wait for years, but enjoy your life, cherish every moment. There are thousands of thousands waiting in line just to get their PR and yet you are nagging over a passport? Take a good look at yourself, what is next? I'm sure after your passports you will find another excuse to chew on!

Just sayin'
Posting few times here and suggesting to send suggestions to CIC which they asked themselves doesn't mean we are not enjoying cheerishing our lives. You are mixing things up buddy. Life is cool. You need to stop thinking you are only one chilling out there......
 

rezafc

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quasar81 said:
Posting few times here and suggesting to send suggestions to CIC which they asked themselves doesn't mean we are not enjoying cheerishing our lives. You are mixing things up buddy. Life is cool. You need to stop thinking you are only one chilling out there......
I don't think I am the only one chilling out there, buddy! In fact I have my daily dose of stress to deal with. But when you tend to use words such as 'harassment', 'mental torture' or 'mental rape' (as suggested by another fellow on this threat) it makes me wonder! Specially when it is aimed towards CIC. Either you don't know the meaning of the words you are using or you just want to use them in the wrong context on purpose to get a kick out of it, probably to show your frustration.

Either way good luck, and hope you get your answer soon.
 

links18

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Paying to expedite a citizenship application is some Third World BS. Of course, so are the extreme waiting times for many.
 

itsmyid

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dpenabill said:
Aside from the fact that the fees are already a huge burden for many immigrants, especially those with families, actually processing times have decreased by a lot. That said, there was NO promise to "expedite" the process. Processing times were so long as to be unreasonable. The promise was to reduce those times toward more reasonable processing times, not to expedite applications generally. And indeed, processing times have improved (vastly so compared to two years ago).

Moreover, a huge part of the blame for lengthy processing times belongs to scores of applicants for citizenship, and similarly for scores of PRs applying for new PR cards, given the extent to which so many recklessly make an application even though they barely meet the minimum requirements. Consider how many citizenhship applications there were by applicants with less than 1150 days physical presence under the old requirements, and how many appear to be applying now with less than 1500 days physical presence under the current requirements. These applicants outright demand elevated scrutiny, further inquiries, and longer processing, all of which taxes the limited resources of IRCC resulting in longer processing times for everyone.

Similarly for the scores of PRs who are not actually permanently residing in Canada, thus not really in fact permanent residents, seeking to renew their Permanent Resident status card based on barely meeting the minimum residency obligation for retaining PR status. These individuals likewise share a huge amount of the blame for long PR card processing times, and yet ironically many in turn blame IRCC because their cases demand elevated scrutiny, further inquiries, and longer processing times . . . again, taxing the limited resources of IRCC resulting in longer processing times for everyone.





As to increasing fees as a means of paying for faster service: that would be contrary to Canada's values. In Canada affluence, the ability to pay, should have little or no influence in providing government services.

While there are some services for which the federal and provincial governments do provide expedited services for an additional fee, these are limited and in particular are available only for entirely administrative functions (such as provinces which will expedite issuance of marriage or birth certificates for an additional fee, or the federal government expediting the issuance of passports).

Relative to Canadian values, the concept of expedited processing of citizenship applications for an additional fee, in contrast, would be an anathema.


Actually it is Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), which is soliciting input from the public, recognizing that CIC has not existed since last year. The difference may seem to be largely symbolic, but as this particular action by IRCC illustrates, there are real substantive differences between how IRCC, under Liberal leadership, is approaching immigration compared to how CIC operated under Conservative leadership.

In terms of opportunities to make suggestions, in particular, CIC did things like make huge policy and practice changes without any input, none at all, not from the public, not from Parliament, not from the Conservative caucus even, not from stakeholders, not even any real input from those at CIC who did the work and had the experience in actually implementing immigration policies and practices. The most salient example of this was OB 407 in April 2012, which was so disastrous it nearly shut down citizenship application processing for six or eight months and resulted in a huge backlog of RQ'd cases (in which the overwhelming majority of applicants affected were qualified) that delayed citizenship for many tens of thousands, and for many the delay was more than a year, even two years or more. That scheme was conceived, drafted, and fully composed within a small circle in Harper's PMO, and it appears that much or most of it was designed by one person, Benjamin Perrin, in consultation with only Harper and Kenney.


All that said, I suspect many immigrants do not agree with what many or most of the Canadian public will advocate. Which is to acknowledge that the result of public consultations may have, in the view of many in a forum like this, a more negative impact on immigration policies and practices.


Points to advocate from my perspective:

I tend to steer clear of how-it-should-be most of the time, so as to clearly separate observations about how-it-really-is (toward helping some to navigate the process and, if possible, avoid pitfalls), but of course I do have some views about how this or that might be improved.

To my view, one of the biggest issues right now is that applicants for citizenship do not have a right to appeal a negative decision. The capacity to ask the Federal Court for permission to obtain judicial review does not provide sufficient judicial oversight of the process. It is particularly unfair given that IRCC does have a right of appeal.

Another huge area of unfairness is the current law regarding cessation of refugee status automatically resulting in loss of PR status, no matter how long the individual has been a PR, no matter how well or long established in Canada the PR is, and with no consideration for H&C factors. This was a draconian change implemented in December 2012, which similar to OB 407 was probably a Harper-Perrin-Kenney plan adopted and implemented with virtually no consultation outside the PMO. At the least, unless cessation proceedings have already been commenced, once such a PR is qualified for citizenship and applies for citizenship, that individual should be allowed to have his or her citizenship application processed and if qualified allowed to become a citizen.

And then there is the ongoing issue of transparency. While IRCC, under Liberal leadership, appears to be trending toward more transparency than there was under the Harper government, there is still a great deal of room for improvement. There will always be a tug-of-war between transparency and efficient governing, but people should be able to see how their government actually works.
How is paying extra for expedited processing against Canadian value? What is the Canadian value you are referring to? When you shop online, you can choose free shipping or overnight delivery for 20 bucks, when you file for tax, you can do it on your own or you can pay someone to do it for you, when you go to school there is free public school or you can pay to go to the private ones... Never heard of any of those being against Canadian value
 

links18

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itsmyid said:
How is paying extra for expedited processing against Canadian value? What is the Canadian value you are referring to? When you shop online, you can choose free shipping or overnight delivery for 20 bucks, when you file for tax, you can do it on your own or you can pay someone to do it for you, when you go to school there is free public school or you can pay to go to the private ones... Never heard of any of those being against Canadian value
Its called official bribery.....
 

dpenabill

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itsmyid said:
How is paying extra for expedited processing against Canadian value? What is the Canadian value you are referring to? When you shop online, you can choose free shipping or overnight delivery for 20 bucks, when you file for tax, you can do it on your own or you can pay someone to do it for you, when you go to school there is free public school or you can pay to go to the private ones... Never heard of any of those being against Canadian value
As I noted, some government services, typically administrative or incidental services, may be expedited for additional fees.

And of course private services are very much dependent on paying for those services.

But in Canada basic government services and benefits are generally available without regard to caste, class, or financial station. The affluent do not get to go to the head of the line, not for basic health care, not to have their civil case decided in a court of justice, not to have their immigration applications processed. (Which is why so many affluent Canadians go abroad for certain medical services, to some place where they can buy their way to the head of the line.)

Sure, just like paying an accountant or other authorized persons to prepare one's tax returns, a PR can hire a lawyer or authorized representative to prepare a citizenship application. Neither will expedite the government's part of the processing, not the processing of the tax return nor processing the citizenship application.

Urgent processing is available for PR card renewals and citizenship applications in limited, prescribed circumstances, subject to IRCC's exercise of discretion, but who is given expedited processing is not determined by who will pay more.

While of course being affluent has many advantages in Canadian society, and Canada is only a partially socialist country, Canada is socialist enough and egalitarian enough that money does not buy government privilege. And the idea that it should, the idea that some should be able to buy their way to the head of the line, is for most Canadians an anathema.