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CIC accuses us of Business marriage.

AmericaninQuebec

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locolynn said:
Sbaksh - Are you still within the normal processing time? If so, no one will answer your emails or be able to offer much help.
Obviously every consulate is different, but I don't think that's 100% true. I emailed the consulate at Buffalo a couple of weeks ago and got a response a week later. You just have to provide all of the important identifying info and ask clear, specific questions if you want a chance at getting a response. I would think if he offers the proper info to identify the file and asks specifically if a letter regarding the "decision made" status has been sent to his wife he will likely receive a response at least stating yes/no about whether a letter has been sent.
 

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sbaksh said:
If this officer have any "evidence" then she would have to get physical proof. The Trinidadian office is known to conduct illegal business. I intent to take this to the highest level.
hi , the main point here is the officers never have physical proof to denied your application.they just playing with the interviewer and check up how their face express. my cousin went to the interview on Feb.2011( in HoChiMinh VietNam) and the man asked her do you know your cousin told me that two you guys are lied marriage???? ( there's no evidence of his story,but he keep asked her many times why her cousin said like that???)and then every thing she said was denied.after that she just cried and did not how to convinced them to believe her marriage. that's my story.
 

davidoff85

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missha said:
I wonder why you have to show CIC too much. You have given them tooo much information that they are even confused. You have given them proof of jewelery you bought and that much be gold, have you checked what the gold worth these days, 2 barrels and a box, and 3 k every month - Come on!!! ? You could afford that but that's a little too much than what normally happens in the weddings, and that's what made your case look like you are a business deal. They do require information but not overload of information. You just overwhelm the officers.

I would suggest fight for it, in case they deny the case. You have a strong ground to fight for.
i'm wondering that you have sent 3000CAD everymonth for your wife??? how rich you are. but the most important thing that they will check up your income tax and your money in the bank that could efford for it.if it could you will be fine.otherwise your wife will be denied as soon cause the proof she show them it is not true and reasionable.
 

sbaksh

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i sent a total of 3k for this year, I purchased her plane ticket, got her own credit card, jewelery eg: swarovski heart neck lace, thomas sabo charm bracelet etc
 

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Its not a huge issues with the gifts...as someone mentioned earlier, it may be a poison pen letter from someone that is not happy about the marriage...I would be emailing the visa office ASAP to find out what the decision is....also if you are in Canada, contact your MP and they can help you get the information if the Visa office won't help...
 

sbaksh

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I've sent 3 emails and wife sent one today. the first email was sent on the 15 of oct, no response as of now. My MP is Bob Dechart, His viceroy Chabel was a Ahole, basically he said that he couldn't do anything. I feel like giving up my citizenship to be with my Wife, the Immigration system is a pain and the Government officials are useless.
 

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sbaksh said:
I've sent 3 emails and wife sent one today. the first email was sent on the 15 of oct, no response as of now. My MP is Bob Dechart, His viceroy Chabel was a Ahole, basically he said that he couldn't do anything. I feel like giving up my citizenship to be with my Wife, the Immigration system is a pain and the Government officials are useless.
Your MP can do something, and if you don't want to force the issue, all they need to do is enquire to the visa office as to the decision that was made. That is part of their job as a federal elected official...the other person I would recommend contacting is Jason Kenny's office directly...and tell him what your MP said, and tell them that you need to know what the decision was, that there has been no letter, no emails, and that you have both emailed the visa office and they are not responding...also if you can find another MP possibly from a different party around you, explain your situation to them, and maybe just maybe they may be more understanding of your prediciment, and help you....best of luck...
 

davidoff85

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sbaksh said:
i sent a total of 3k for this year, I purchased her plane ticket, got her own credit card, jewelery eg: swarovski heart neck lace, thomas sabo charm bracelet etc
ok i see.hope you hear from them soon.
 

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rjessome said:
No, they don't have to show you physical proof, only give an opportunity to respond to information they've received.
But if I were in such an interview, I would have responded strongly, asking what proof there was for such a baseless allegation. If the VO refused to provide the proof, then I would have vowed to appeal, and demand the proof via CAIPs notes.

If instead I had stared like a deer caught in the headlights, the VO might have construed that as guilty acquiescence. Too bad that some people are more passive when faced with lies like that.

What I would do is contact the embassy and ask for their proof in order to preclude the time and expense of an appeal (can't hurt to ask again, it might show resolve, and might even show innocence).

Good luck.
 

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I think they are more trained than just assuming a "deer in the headlight staring" person would not be genuine. If someone accused me of this kind of cr@p, I wouldn't know what to say either. It would probably take me a while to process it, and only then would I be able to produce a meaningful reaction. I think lots of people are like that. I think the "deer in headlights" reaction is a very sincere one. It might even be better than knowing exactly what to say, which in extreme cases could come across as 'studied".

I wish you good luck in this process and hope that you hear from them soon! You don't deserve to be left hanging like that!
 

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sbaksh said:
I was wondering if hiring a lawyer to write a letter will work.

thanks!
I think that is not a bad idea.

My husband went for his interview this Wednesday. Our cases and problems are very different, but my husband was sent home after the interview. The officier told him she has no issue with our relationship, nor with him, except for for charges that showed up on his FBI record, which she is not sure( she doesn't know the law) are making him inadmissible or not. Basically that she would need to check with her superior to see what the law is and then would make a decision.

Not to go into more details, but all this to say, the moment my husband finished he called me up and I called up the lawyer, who sent the embassy the day after a letter telling them that he is NOT inadmissible, and that if she were to go to court with this case she knows she would win as the law is clear on such case and a judge who knows the law better, would determine that an erroneous decision had been made by the agent, as she has dealt with many such cases and rarely seen it as a problem. The few times it was a problem it was determined in appeal that the agent had made a mistake.

She had also written a submission letter in our initial submission that reffered to this, stating that he was not inadmissible.

All this to say that I honestly think that at this point, here intervention might be what is going to keep that agent, or supervisor from making a mistake. Her words were carefully chosen and shows that she knows what she is talking about, and it is going to force them to handle this even more carefully as they know that if they do refuse him, she will take it to court. Also all these correspondence are going to become evidences, in the case it does end up in court. She will be able to show that twice she warned the embassy NOT to refuse him based on that.

Based on my experience, I would say now that with things getting a little complicated for us, having her representing us and intervening like this can only be positive. We could have never had the impact that she has, and I now see how the work of a lawyer can make a difference, when things complicate, even if it is possible to go through all this process without one for most cases. One never knows. In our case we knew that our case was a little more complicated, but yours is a perfect example of a straight forward case that suddenly becomes "complicated".

On an other note, over the last year we have tried to contact the embassy on various occasions, and never got answers. We started doing so when the average time had passed, so they should have answered, but they never did. I went to my deputy last month and he tried as well twice, and he still got no answer. He was finally able to get information from a call center deputies have access to where they can get some information on the status of the case. When he did so we learn an interview had been request two weeks prior. Three days later we got the actual letter with date and all. I understand your deputy is not helping. As someone suggested maybe you could approach an other deputy. My cousins works in that field and she suggest getting help from the deputy of the district she lives in if mine failed to help.

My deputy is from the NPD, and I can tell you that I didn't need to say much to convince him to help. Basically they blame it all on the conservatives, and they will do anything to show you that they are not like them and that they actually care !

good luck !
 

sbaksh

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Re: CIC accuses us of Business marriage.##update##

Hi Guys,
After a long wait, we finally got a letter, They refused our application on the following grounds.

1. We got married too quickly.
I met her through a family on facebook on oct 15/09, called her up and we chat. We chat for hrs every couple of days and text each other every day. I had over $3000 in canadian in calls for the 3 months until, i figure out that she can call me at a cheaper rate, so i sent her money, approx $600.

2. After our wedding in July 10 to Sep 11, i didn't visit her

Well my whole family flew down to Guyana last minute, spent approx $10,000 cad, flight and wedding plans last minute. So i said to my wife, at least we can see each other via skype video. Lets hold off till July 11, because in the Ecas i had interview was schedule on june 23. So we keep calling, holding off waiting to see the situation. I was saving up so we can get our place.

She is not satisfied with my wife answer, so i am hiring a lawyer this week. My whole family is outraged that such a thing happen, even boss said that this is unbelievable.

So can i get affidavit from a bunch of people and letter from my work place? I have video of my wedding. Anyways, the wife is crying and i am heading back on after boxing day to visit her for a month. Flight are super expensive.

My HR said that maybe we should have a Baby to prove our marriage, then my brother said that maybe i should make a sex tape and then they'll believe.

Anyways i come to the conclusion that we have too many idiots in Government offices.

My Mom's sister friend application was refused, Because her Husband was black and she was Indian with his child, the IO said that marriage is not genuine and they have a child together.

I Believe the IO in the Port of Spain is Bias and Prejudice against Guyanese People.
 

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Re: CIC accuses us of Business marriage.##update##

sbaksh said:
Hi Guys,
After a long wait, we finally got a letter, They refused our application on the following grounds.

1. We got married too quickly.
I met her through a family on facebook on oct 15/09, called her up and we chat. We chat for hrs every couple of days and text each other every day. I had over $3000 in canadian in calls for the 3 months until, i figure out that she can call me at a cheaper rate, so i sent her money, approx $600.

2. After our wedding in July 10 to Sep 11, i didn't visit her

Well my whole family flew down to Guyana last minute, spent approx $10,000 cad, flight and wedding plans last minute. So i said to my wife, at least we can see each other via skype video. Lets hold off till July 11, because in the Ecas i had interview was schedule on june 23. So we keep calling, holding off waiting to see the situation. I was saving up so we can get our place.

She is not satisfied with my wife answer, so i am hiring a lawyer this week. My whole family is outraged that such a thing happen, even boss said that this is unbelievable.

So can i get affidavit from a bunch of people and letter from my work place? I have video of my wedding. Anyways, the wife is crying and i am heading back on after boxing day to visit her for a month. Flight are super expensive.

My HR said that maybe we should have a Baby to prove our marriage, then my brother said that maybe i should make a sex tape and then they'll believe.

Anyways i come to the conclusion that we have too many idiots in Government offices.

My Mom's sister friend application was refused, Because her Husband was black and she was Indian with his child, the IO said that marriage is not genuine and they have a child together.

I Believe the IO in the Port of Spain is Bias and Prejudice against Guyanese People.
How many days do you guys have been together (in terms of physical), like visits, stayes from 15-10-2009 till 10-07-2010?
 

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Our situation was a little different, as we were inland. However, we met online and married |(eloped) 2 1/2 months later. I am a little older, and we are different races. Our application took 23 months to process, but we submitted additional evidence to prove our relationship was ongoing, and known about and accepted by friends and family.

I would advise you to refile your application and include as much proof as possible that you have a real relationship. CIC does not accept videos, and many have been told that a child is not proof of a real relationship.

Notarized letters from people who know you, about your relationship, etc are good. Facebook screenprints, copies of cards you have sent each other, emails, photos, plane tickets, receipts for gifts, etc are all good to use for proof.

An outland application can be appealed but this is a long and painful process. Check some of the threads for information from those who have been denied and appealed.