Child born in Canada

[truesmile]

Stateless= Not recognised as a citizen of any country. This is a worldwide problem, everybody in the world has a god given right to be a citizen.

Your argument is a political argument about parents who abuse the system and those who do so should be penalised I agree with you but the child has no knowledge of what country it is born in to and the benefits or lack of benefits that are assosciated with it. My argument is an argument of humanitarian needs for every single child born on to this planet.

To remove citizenship from a child born in any country will be scrutinised to the highest degree by powers above Parliament.

We need to do a better job at ensuring that national and international laws make it easier for people to become citizens and make it harder for states to deny or deprive people of citizenship.

(+1) - I'm with R151NG5UN on this one, 100%.

 

[Creampop]

Every parent wants the best for their child/ren, I love the fact my children have the freedom to choose between both their countries.

 

[Fencesitter]

I guess reading isn't your strongest skill...

FS

 

[R151NG5UN]

Every parent wants the best for their child/ren, I love the fact my children have the freedom to choose between both their countries.

Another great point, if and when the whole immigration process is over and we decide to have children. I would love that my child has the right to choose whether to live and work in Canada or in Britain and for that fact I am truly proud to be a Brit as I would have thought would any Canadian.

 

[Fencesitter]

Once again Canadian citizenship is given to any child born in Canada and rightly so. How you determine who is a Canadian citizen is your perogative, it's not law and fingers crossed nor shall it ever be. There once was a famous individual despite not being German decided on who he thought was the "ideal" German and acted accordingly. The United Nations was introduced because of this very same person and the world is a much better place for it. Everybody on this planet has a god given right to Citizenship.

You realise a huge part of Canada was built up from people who fled certain countries for varying reasons and built Canada what it is today, under your rules this would not have been allowed to happen. Your statements sound like that of a dictator.

I am not a Canadian Citizen, I am a British Citizen born and raised here for over 30 years and Britain has exactly the same issues as Canada but I would never advocate such draconian measures. I am a proud Brit and proud of the laws of my Country, some are wrong and I accept that but I would feel ashamed of my Country if they even discussed the measures you are advocating.

I really have trouble understanding how you equate what I wrote to this complete rubbish you have posted. Hitler? Really? Come now, have you been drinking?

Dictator? Draconian? A ban on someone who came to Canada solely for the purposes to gain citizenship for her child is draconian? Are you for real?

I don't want people gaming our system...ban them...enact laws to stop it...by your definition, that's draconian, right? Please...

FS

 

[Fencesitter]

Another great point, if and when the whole immigration process is over and we decide to have children. I would love that my child has the right to choose whether to live and work in Canada or in Britain and for that fact I am truly proud to be a Brit as I would have thought would any Canadian.

Yes, sure, but you are comparing apples to oranges...

I'm talking about all the Chinese who come to Canada with the SOLE INTENT of gaming the system....just like they do in Hong Kong.

I agree that citizenship should be granted to people born in Canada, but not if they have done so with the intent to game the system and take advantage of our country. I don't know how you can justify your inferences that what I am stating is in any way similar to Hitler or anything related to that period of time.

FS

 

[R151NG5UN]

I really have trouble understanding how you equate what I wrote to this complete rubbish you have posted. Hitler? Really? Come now, have you been drinking?

Dictator? Draconian? A ban on someone who came to Canada solely for the purposes to gain citizenship for her child is draconian? Are you for real?

I don't want people gaming our system...ban them...enact laws to stop it...by your definition, that's draconian, right? Please...

FS

Lol well thankfully for the world over your "rubbish" ideals are not in place. Your views are that of a dictator, you have your mindset and everybody must tow the line (sounds exactly like a dictator)

Who are you to determine who is fleecing the system? What about people who have premature births and whose mother die whilst giving birth? What happens to them? Oh another exception to your DRACONIAN measures.

As I have said repeatedly said thank god Canada, UK, US, Australia and New Zealand are not under rule by anybody like yourself. For that we should all be truly grateful. Thank god also for the fact the U.N is in place who would oppose any such rules!!

 

[Fencesitter]

The same thing could be said about what you are spouting...everyone must agree with you or else you call them draconian...pathetic. Like on that other thread where I was discussing immigration systems and you went round the bend with your rubbish reply...which others called you out on...

Go back and read what I posted...then read it again...perhaps after a few more attempts you'll comprehend what was written...but I doubt it...and I won't be holding my breath.

Oh, and did you not read where I wrote 'exceptions' would be needed?? And by the way, the Minister of CIC himself has been saying exactly what I have been posting.

You're good for a laugh, so stick around..

FS

 

[doljan]

i think you have misunderstanding on the issue and you are both barking on a different scenario...
as i understand it, what fencesitter's arguement here is for those people who purposely and intently go to Canada
just to bypass the system....
on the other side, R151NG5UN is looking at it on the newly born's right of acquiring a citizenship...
that's my observation though...

 

[R151NG5UN]

I see why you have such a negative count. I guess all those people could not be wrong.

To win an argument you take to mocking, demeaning. You sound like a mature adult. On that note, I shall wish you a happy life and hope all of your reforms are met.

 

[R151NG5UN]

i think you have misunderstanding on the issue and you are both barking on a different scenario...
as i understand it, what fencesitter's arguement here is for those people who purposely and intently go to Canada
just to bypass the system....
on the other side, R151NG5UN is looking at it on the newly born's right of acquiring a citizenship...
that's my observation though...

As far as I can see Doljan that is exactly the way either of us see's the argument. I personally do not think a child should be punished whatsoever for where he/ she is born. They are then a Citizen and that is a fact.

 

[Fencesitter]

I see why you have such a negative count. I guess all those people could not be wrong.

To win an argument you take to mocking, demeaning. You sound like a mature adult. On that note, I shall wish you a happy life and hope all of your reforms are met.

I'll ask you again, have you been drinking?

Inferring that I am like Hitler? Calling my comments 'draconian'...right...I take to 'mocking, demeaning'...

You're right about one thing, I did 'win' the argument.

Now shoo...

FS

P.S. Do you really think that a positive / negative score on an anonymous forum matters? Damn...that's really sad...

 

[doljan]

As far as I can see Doljan that is exactly the way either of us see's the argument. I personally do not think a child should be punished whatsoever for where he/ she is born. They are then a Citizen and that is a fact.

"""I personally do not think a child should be punished whatsoever for where he/ she is born. They are then a Citizen and that is a fact. """

totally agree....

 

[doljan]

no one wins arguement here as far as i know..... both of you has a good point...
anyway, lets just hope our application will be approve and hope for the best....

 

[Fencesitter]

No one is 'punishing' the child. 99% of the time the child can return to his parents home country and gain citizenship there...as for the 1% (exceptions as in the Syrian example), okay, give them citizenship.

FS