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Change Conditional PR to Regular PR?

Diago BB

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Hi guys,

I got my Conditional PR recently,but I have no idea what I need to do after 2 years.

1. what I need to do after 2 years if I want to change it to Regular PR?
2. Durning these two years, is there any CIC officer going to call me or visit my family?
3. Can I seperate with my wife for a short time?

thanks for your help! God bless u
 

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Diago BB said:
I got my Conditional PR recently,but I have no idea what I need to do after 2 years.

1. what I need to do after 2 years if I want to change it to Regular PR?
Nothing. It's only an issue if your relationship does not meet the 2 year requirement.

Diago BB said:
2. Durning these two years, is there any CIC officer going to call me or visit my family?
It is possible, but not likely.

Diago BB said:
3. Can I seperate with my wife for a short time?
What do you mean by "separate"? If you say "can our relationship break down" then the answer is technically "no" but it only becomes an issue if CIC is aware of it. If you say "we need to live apart but the relationship continues" then there is no problem.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/backgrounders/2012/2012-10-26a.asp
 
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mikeymyke

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Answer the question about the "separate" thing, you mean to leave your spouse?
 
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mikeymyke

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Don't you think it's dishonest to live in an unhappy marriage just to get PR? Can you do that for 2 years straight? Keep in mind, it was your spouse who gave you this opportunity to come to Canada in the first place.
 

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computergeek said:
If you say "we need to live apart but the relationship continues" then there is no problem.
I wouldn't say that. The rule clearly states a conditional PR needs to cohabit with sponsor for 2 years. So even if they are still a genuine couple, if they are living apart then they are in violation of the condition.
Same as if a couple applying inland is a real couple but not living together for an extended time due to work or something, applications have been rejected.

OP, you need to live together for 2 years with your wife. If at any time you don't live together, CIC could investigate and you could lose PR status. If you separate, then she can report you to CIC and then for sure you will be investigated.
 

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Rob_TO said:
I wouldn't say that. The rule clearly states a conditional PR needs to cohabit with sponsor for 2 years. So even if they are still a genuine couple, if they are living apart then they are in violation of the condition.
Fair enough. Rather than read what CIC and others have written, I decided it made sense to actually read the regulation:

Condition

72.1 (1) Subject to subsections (5) and (6), a permanent resident described in subsection (2) is subject to the condition that they must cohabit in a conjugal relationship with their sponsor for a continuous period of two years after the day on which they became a permanent resident.
Marginal note:permanent resident subject to condition

(2) For the purpose of subsection (1) and subject to subsection (3), the permanent resident is a person who was a foreign national who
(a) became a permanent resident after making an application for permanent residence as a member of the family class, or an application as a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class to remain in Canada as a permanent resident, as applicable;
(b) at the time the sponsor filed a sponsorship application with respect to the person under paragraph 130(1)(c) had been the spouse, common-law partner or conjugal partner of the sponsor, as applicable, for a period of two years or less; and
(c) had no child in respect of whom both they and the sponsor were the parents at the time the sponsor filed a sponsorship application with respect to the person under paragraph 130(1)(c).
Marginal note:Exclusion

(3) An application referred to in paragraph (2)(a) does not include one that was received before the day on which this section comes into force.
Marginal note:Evidence of compliance

(4) A permanent resident referred to in subsection (1) must provide evidence of their compliance with the condition set out in that subsection to an officer if
(a) the officer requests such evidence because they have reason to believe that the permanent resident is not complying or has not complied with the condition; or
(b) the officer requests such evidence as part of a random assessment of the overall level of compliance with that condition by the permanent residents who are or were subject to it.
So the requirement is in fact cohabitation. This would permit short breaks (work trips, vacation) but not long breaks. It's clearly a subjective standard (is a six month work assignment a violation of such?) and seems confusing (since the same couple might have been apart for two years BEFORE PR was granted, but that doesn't terminate the relationship).

In fact, this is such a restriction on right of movement (guaranteed by the Charter) that it might fail to survive a challenge. Of course, it would require the right situation for this to occur (e.g., imagine that 18 months into the relationship the PR returns home to care for a sick parent for 6 months and CIC does a random inspection in month 23 and determines this condition has not bee satisfied.)

But Rob_TO's point is right: it requires continuous cohabitation for two years according to the regulation. Anything else risks running afoul of the regulations, loss of PR status and removal from Canada.
 

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Further to what i mentioned, I take CIC's definition of "cohabit" here for conditional PR/condition 51, to be the same as if one is trying to qualify for common-law.

If you read here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob480.asp , they state:
2.4 Assessing evidence of compliance of the two-year condition

To maintain their permanent resident status, the sponsored spouse or partner is required to cohabit in a conjugal relationship with their sponsor for a continuous period of two years after the day on which they became a permanent resident.

While the regulations require a “continuous” period of two years of cohabitation, from time to time, one or the other partner may leave the home for work or business travel, family obligations, and so on. CIC officers should follow existing guidelines when assessing a period of cohabitation where temporary or short separations have occurred. See OP 2, Section 5.35 for more information.


And section 5.35 of OP2 ( http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf ) is the rules for common-law qualifying. So basically any breaks of non-cohabitation longer than 3-4 weeks, could be grounds for breaking the rule.
 

Diago BB

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I see. I just want to let us calm down, otherwise situation will go worse.

Do you have any CIC inspection exp?
 

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mikeymyke said:
Don't you think it's dishonest to live in an unhappy marriage just to get PR? Can you do that for 2 years straight? Keep in mind, it was your spouse who gave you this opportunity to come to Canada in the first place.
hahaha , plus 4 for you. Looks like he's looking for escape route .
 

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Diago BB said:
I see. I just want to let us calm down, otherwise situation will go worse.

Do you have any CIC inspection exp?
does your wife know you trying to look for a way to separate? Maybe you guys should talk or seek professional help. How is the situation like? How long have you been in Canada