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CEC Rejection HELP!!!

mainzlly

Newbie
Jun 7, 2013
3
0
Update:

In my original package, I included the signed and letterheaded employment letter, which includes my working history with my previous employer, annual salary, job title, company's detailed information ( website, address, HR contract info). I have been working with that employer from April 11 till Jan 13. I submitted application in Sept 12.

Along with the employment letter, I attached a copy of our HR's standard job description, which is applicable to my role.


Below is the original response from the case officer:

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the Canadian Experience Class and have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
According to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, applicants in the Canadian Experience Class are assessed on the basis of the pass/fail requirements set out in subsection R87.1(2). The assessment of these criteria determines whether a worker with Canadian experience will be able to become economically established in Canada. The criteria are:
• knowledge of English or French,
• Canadian skilled work experience,
• Canadian educational credentials (for the Post-Graduation Stream only).
Your application was assessed based on the occupation(s) which you identified as part of your skilled work experience in Canada: NOC 1112 (my job title)
I am not satisfied that you meet skilled work experience requirement based on the information provided. You requested assessment under NOC 1112 for employment with (my employer's name) from (date)/11. You failed to provide any documentation in support of this employment. This office received from you on (date)/13, updated information regarding your personal history along with a letter dated (date)/13 from (my second employer) offering the position of (new job's title) commencing (new job starting date).
From the information provided I am not satisfied you have acquired twelve months of full-time skilled work experience in Canada at a National Occupational Classification skill of type O or level A or B in the last twenty-four months prior to the submission of your application and after having obtained a Canadian educational credential.
Subsection 11(1) of the Act states that a foreign national must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the Regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(1) specifies that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and Regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.

Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.









I applied CEC last september, with more than 12 month of skilled working expeirence gained from a big pension fund, also submitted my masters degree and overall EILTs 7 results.

5 days ago, I received the email from CIC saying I am refused. The reason being " I failed to provide any documentation in support of this employment" The employment refers to my experience with this pension fund I worked from 04/18/2011 till the time i submitted my application Sept, 2012.

After that I changed my job and updated CIC with my new employment status. The office saying in his email that he saw my updated information, but didn't mention anything about my package submitted previously.

I m concerned that he made his decision while not seeing my job description which is supporting my role.
What is the chance of me winning the appeal and how should I proceed...... :-\
 

ondine

Star Member
Aug 21, 2012
92
5
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
4162
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
19-09-2012
AOR Received.
30-10-2012
Sorry to hear about your rejection mainzlly. Did you provide a letter of reference from your employer stating the period of time you worked there, duties, salaries, and other relevant information?

You mentioned a job description that was supporting your role... Was that in an official letter or was it done by yourself?
 

saruyashi

Star Member
Dec 20, 2012
129
2
Canada
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-Ottawa
NOC Code......
4011
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02/01/2013
AOR Received.
Feb 18, 2013
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
Med's Request
Oct 12, 2013
Med's Done....
Nov 19, 2013
Passport Req..
Jan 28, 2014
mainzlly said:
I applied CEC last september, with more than 12 month of skilled working expeirence gained from a big pension fund, also submitted my masters degree and overall EILTs 7 results.

5 days ago, I received the email from CIC saying I am refused. The reason being " I failed to provide any documentation in support of this employment" The employment refers to my experience with this pension fund I worked from 04/18/2011 till the time i submitted my application Sept, 2012.

After that I changed my job and updated CIC with my new employment status. The office saying in his email that he saw my updated information, but didn't mention anything about my package submitted previously.

I m concerned that he made his decision while not seeing my job description which is supporting my role.
What is the chance of me winning the appeal and how should I proceed...... :-\
Sorry to hear this.
If my answer is correct, you need 2 years experience in September 2012. In 2013 only CEC eligibility changed to 12 months.
 

thisisauser

Hero Member
Nov 23, 2012
726
46
Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
saruyashi said:
Sorry to hear this.
If my answer is correct, you need 2 years experience in September 2012. In 2013 only CEC eligibility changed to 12 months.
2 years experience stream or 1 year experience + Canadian degree stream.
 

ondine

Star Member
Aug 21, 2012
92
5
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
4162
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
19-09-2012
AOR Received.
30-10-2012
saruyashi said:
Sorry to hear this.
If my answer is correct, you need 2 years experience in September 2012. In 2013 only CEC eligibility changed to 12 months.
That's not correct saruyashi. Prior to Jan 2013, there were two CEC streams: the post-graduate stream (where you needed one year of post-graduate, skilled work experience + a 2-year Canadian degree) and the foreign worker stream (where you needed two years of skilled work experience). mainzlly's problem wasn't that he didn't have enough work experience, it was that (according to the VO) there was no documentation to support his claim of having one year of work experience.

As usual, there are two broad possibilities: 1) the VO made a mistake (e.g. didn't see the letter from his employer supporting mainzlly's application), in which case there might be room for an appeal; 2) mainzlly didn't include a letter from his employer or the letter was too vague etc., in which case he will have to reapply (and include letters from both his previous employer and his current one).
 

MumbaiIndian

Full Member
Jun 4, 2013
48
0
mainzlly said:
I applied CEC last september, with more than 12 month of skilled working expeirence gained from a big pension fund, also submitted my masters degree and overall EILTs 7 results.

5 days ago, I received the email from CIC saying I am refused. The reason being " I failed to provide any documentation in support of this employment" The employment refers to my experience with this pension fund I worked from 04/18/2011 till the time i submitted my application Sept, 2012.

After that I changed my job and updated CIC with my new employment status. The office saying in his email that he saw my updated information, but didn't mention anything about my package submitted previously.

I m concerned that he made his decision while not seeing my job description which is supporting my role.
What is the chance of me winning the appeal and how should I proceed...... :-\
Ican you share what supporting documents you sent to confirm your 1 year employment. It seems they could not verify your full time 1 year employment from the document.
 

bickyii

Hero Member
Nov 1, 2011
314
15
Toronto, ON
Thats a pretty confusing and screwed up reason which VO gave you.
Did you attach your T4, NOA, Pay stubs from first job?? if you were already meeting all the requirements you shouldnt have notified CIC about your new job by sending new letter, that was the thing which confused VO the most.
 

mainzlly

Newbie
Jun 7, 2013
3
0
yea, I attached everything, T4, pay stubs..... I am really not satisfied of him saying that I didn't provide ANY documantation in support of my first employment. The reason he provided is reaaaaalllly vague......
if he have said my job didn't meet N1112 or find some other more convincing reaon, I would not be struggling here.
 

ondine

Star Member
Aug 21, 2012
92
5
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
4162
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
19-09-2012
AOR Received.
30-10-2012
The letter was signed by your supervisor/boss? Also, what was the date on the letter?
 

MumbaiIndian

Full Member
Jun 4, 2013
48
0
mainzlly said:
yea, I attached everything, T4, pay stubs..... I am really not satisfied of him saying that I didn't provide ANY documantation in support of my first employment. The reason he provided is reaaaaalllly vague......
if he have said my job didn't meet N1112 or find some other more convincing reaon, I would not be struggling here.
If oyu are confident that all documents are provided and the reason provided for rejection is not appropriate, I would suggest to go for judicial review to save time on re-application.
 

mainzlly

Newbie
Jun 7, 2013
3
0
while the letter was signed not much time before I submitted my package. Also, what it means by going through jurical review. What and how I should start doing it?
 

lithium002

Hero Member
Nov 11, 2008
261
5
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb/07/2013
Doc's Request.
Aug/22/2013
AOR Received.
Mar/19/2013
Med's Request
Dec/01/2013
Med's Done....
Dec/09/2013
Passport Req..
Mar/13/2014
VISA ISSUED...
Mar/26/2014
LANDED..........
Mar/30/2014
Stuff like this really bothers me. People spend weeks trying to prepare their applications, and rather years to become eligible for permanent residency, and these VOs don't do their due diligence when assessing applications.
 

seton

Hero Member
Jun 6, 2012
513
61
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
04-06-2012
AOR Received.
05-11-2012
Med's Request
15-02-2013
Med's Done....
21-02-2013
Passport Req..
04-04-2013
VISA ISSUED...
22-04-2013
LANDED..........
03-05-2013
mainzlly said:
yea, I attached everything, T4, pay stubs..... I am really not satisfied of him saying that I didn't provide ANY documantation in support of my first employment. The reason he provided is reaaaaalllly vague......
if he have said my job didn't meet N1112 or find some other more convincing reaon, I would not be struggling here.
Did you provide a "reference letter", i.e. a letter detailing your detailed duties performed from your first job? Did your first job meet the eligibility criteria (i.e. skill and duration?)
 

ondine

Star Member
Aug 21, 2012
92
5
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
4162
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
19-09-2012
AOR Received.
30-10-2012
seton said:
Did you provide a "reference letter", i.e. a letter detailing your detailed duties performed?
My impression from what mainzlly said was that there were two documents: 1) a letter from his employer with work history, job title, salary and company information; 2) an independent document with the description of his duties taken from HR. The fact that the description was in a different, perhaps non-official document, might've been a problem, but the VO saying that he "failed to provide any documentation in support of this employment" is weird, to say the least. He could've said, for instance, that the documentation provided was insufficient, since the letter of reference didn't provide a detailed documentation of the OP's duties. Instead, there isn't even an acknowledgement from the VO that the applicant had indeed a letter of reference.