Hello experts from the forum,
I am in a very troubled situation right now. My PGWPP is about to expire in August 2013. I've been working for one year at a custodian bank, firmly believing that my position would be eligible for CEC. I have picked NOC Code "1112 Financial and investment analysts" for my position and have sent off my application beginning of April.
Basically, my job doesn't really belong in any NOC Code, since the company put some tasks from different departments together and created this new department which is very company-specific. It's a client-facing role where I deal with clients who are investment managers, brokers, and act as main point of contact between them and internal teams; and i take care of the custody side for mutual funds/pooled funds and work with accounting team very closely (sometimes i do some accounting tasks).
Things seemed to work out fine as my employer helped me apply for LMO to extend my work permit while my PR is being processed. However, i just heard the worst news yesterday that it got rejected. My employer did not have to input the NOC Code, however in the refusal letter, the officer used code 1431 Accounting and related clerks for my position. When my employer called him about code 1112, he said it cannot be, since my salary is only 35k and for code 1112 the median wage is almost 70k. Also, in my job description which was posted on the company website, the job requirement is a Bachelor's degree required. But when the officer asked my employer if they would hire someone without a Bachelors' degree, they said well yes, if the person has a college degree and work experience that should be fine too (there's no way i would've known about this until i spoke to her because i can only base on the job description which is written down, documented, etc
). Before my PR application, i even emailed my job description to NOC team and they said code 1112 might be used. But the officer who refused my LMO said everyone could say different things.... But definitely the code he used for my position 1431 was not right, as the requirement for that code is "Completion of secondary school is usually required." which is sec school or under. Even if according to what my employer told him, my position's requirement is still Bachelor's/college or equivalent. He thinks my job is too low-level for 1112, but I think 1431 that he used is really even more not relevant...
To be honest, in my PR application and reading through NOC tutorials, i wasn't aware that wage is a determinant of NOC Code (even if it is, then job description and requirement still precedes)... For skill level 0,a,b, according to the tutorial, B usually requires univ/college degree. What he assigned to my job was level C, which is "usually requires secondary degree"...
The thing is, i have looked through everything in level B and can't find anything that's relevant. The codes that have relevant low/median wage to mine have nothing to do with my job description, the codes that have similar job requirements don't have the similar job descriptions/tasks. And I also looked into group 6551 which is in customer service (there's a title called financial customer representative which is almost similar to my title which is Client operations associate), however this code only requires completion of secondary school and it's more about personal customer service like bank tellers, etc, not institutional customers... which I think is different from what I do.
I'm really confused and don't know what to do now. I was gonna look for a lawyer but seriously he wouldn't know better about what i do than either the LMO officer, me, or my employer I don't know what is more important, job task, job description, job requirement or the wage/salary. (I know my wage is in the low range.) I'm just hoping to get any advice/agreements/disagreements possible just to figure out if there's anything i could ask my employer to discuss with the officer.
From my last conversation with my employer, they disagree with the code the officer picks, but don't think what i picked was right either. They said unless i find a better code, they could talk with the officer again, but if not then there's nothing else they can do. They said it's unfortunate that they don't create positions based on HRSDC's NOC codes...
The thing that makes me most stressed out about, is that I don't know what to base on anymore. My documented/official job description says the job requires Bachelors' degree, but my employer said it doesn't. And I even forwarded that description to NOC team, and they said 1112 can be used; but then the officer said everyone says different things and he used 1431. How? How? How?
Appreciate any response/suggestion anyone may help!!!!
I am in a very troubled situation right now. My PGWPP is about to expire in August 2013. I've been working for one year at a custodian bank, firmly believing that my position would be eligible for CEC. I have picked NOC Code "1112 Financial and investment analysts" for my position and have sent off my application beginning of April.
Basically, my job doesn't really belong in any NOC Code, since the company put some tasks from different departments together and created this new department which is very company-specific. It's a client-facing role where I deal with clients who are investment managers, brokers, and act as main point of contact between them and internal teams; and i take care of the custody side for mutual funds/pooled funds and work with accounting team very closely (sometimes i do some accounting tasks).
Things seemed to work out fine as my employer helped me apply for LMO to extend my work permit while my PR is being processed. However, i just heard the worst news yesterday that it got rejected. My employer did not have to input the NOC Code, however in the refusal letter, the officer used code 1431 Accounting and related clerks for my position. When my employer called him about code 1112, he said it cannot be, since my salary is only 35k and for code 1112 the median wage is almost 70k. Also, in my job description which was posted on the company website, the job requirement is a Bachelor's degree required. But when the officer asked my employer if they would hire someone without a Bachelors' degree, they said well yes, if the person has a college degree and work experience that should be fine too (there's no way i would've known about this until i spoke to her because i can only base on the job description which is written down, documented, etc
). Before my PR application, i even emailed my job description to NOC team and they said code 1112 might be used. But the officer who refused my LMO said everyone could say different things.... But definitely the code he used for my position 1431 was not right, as the requirement for that code is "Completion of secondary school is usually required." which is sec school or under. Even if according to what my employer told him, my position's requirement is still Bachelor's/college or equivalent. He thinks my job is too low-level for 1112, but I think 1431 that he used is really even more not relevant...To be honest, in my PR application and reading through NOC tutorials, i wasn't aware that wage is a determinant of NOC Code (even if it is, then job description and requirement still precedes)... For skill level 0,a,b, according to the tutorial, B usually requires univ/college degree. What he assigned to my job was level C, which is "usually requires secondary degree"...
The thing is, i have looked through everything in level B and can't find anything that's relevant. The codes that have relevant low/median wage to mine have nothing to do with my job description, the codes that have similar job requirements don't have the similar job descriptions/tasks. And I also looked into group 6551 which is in customer service (there's a title called financial customer representative which is almost similar to my title which is Client operations associate), however this code only requires completion of secondary school and it's more about personal customer service like bank tellers, etc, not institutional customers... which I think is different from what I do.
I'm really confused and don't know what to do now. I was gonna look for a lawyer but seriously he wouldn't know better about what i do than either the LMO officer, me, or my employer
I don't know what is more important, job task, job description, job requirement or the wage/salary. (I know my wage is in the low range.) I'm just hoping to get any advice/agreements/disagreements possible just to figure out if there's anything i could ask my employer to discuss with the officer. From my last conversation with my employer, they disagree with the code the officer picks, but don't think what i picked was right either. They said unless i find a better code, they could talk with the officer again, but if not then there's nothing else they can do. They said it's unfortunate that they don't create positions based on HRSDC's NOC codes...
The thing that makes me most stressed out about, is that I don't know what to base on anymore. My documented/official job description says the job requires Bachelors' degree, but my employer said it doesn't. And I even forwarded that description to NOC team, and they said 1112 can be used; but then the officer said everyone says different things and he used 1431. How? How? How?
Appreciate any response/suggestion anyone may help!!!!
