CEC exp in the 11 month

[sanketpurnima]

Hi Friends,

I know most of them are aware that we get one year CEC points in the completion of 11 months.
While many of them had the same issues, but i coudnt find anyone coming back and stating that they accepted or declined the invite. below are few questions and let me know if anyone had experienced the same.

1) In case i accept the ITA, will it be considered as valid.
2) should i decline it straight and what are the implications if i decline, I saw somewhere in the EE tool that we need to mention that did we have any previous invites etc.
3) In case i dont accept or decline, will i still get the future invites. My plan is not to reject the invite which i get at 11 month, rather keep it and wait when i get another invite at the 12 month.

Thoughts please.

 

[DelPiero07]

1 - Up to you, but do not submit your eAPR before completing a year of work experience.
2 - Not true.
3 - If you do not decline you won't get another invite. If you decline you'll be back in the pool with the chance of getting another invite.

 

[sanketpurnima]

1 - Up to you, but do not submit your eAPR before completing a year of work experience.
2 - Not true.
3 - If you do not decline you won't get another invite. If you decline you'll be back in the pool with the chance of getting another invite.

Wow, as usual delpiero is quick and fast to help.
Am wondering if CIC are already aware about this, they would have fixed it. Do we have any friends who got a rejection because of this issue.
Or @delpiero have you seen guys getting rejected.

Also is it legitimate that i keep the invite and submit the eAPR after one year completion. ( do we have friends here who did this)

 

[DelPiero07]

They are most likely aware of it but until they change the system so it calculates the exact dates we'll keep seeing this issue.

We've definitely seen rejection of people who submitted their eAPR before completing a year of work experience.
We've also seen people who got through without completing a year of work experience.

That's why I said it is up to you if you want to keep this ITA.

 

[sanketpurnima]

They are most likely aware of it but until they change the system so it calculates the exact dates we'll keep seeing this issue.

We've definitely seen rejection of people who submitted their eAPR before completing a year of work experience.
We've also seen people who got through without completing a year of work experience.

That's why I said it is up to you if you want to keep this ITA.

So is it legal that i keep the ITA, but dont submit the eAPR until 1 year of completion. ?

 

[DelPiero07]

There's nothing illegal here, the question is whether the officer assessing your application will accept it or reject it for not meeting the MEC (minimum entry criteria) when receiving an ITA.

"Accordingly, officers should refuse an application under section A11.2 if it is determined that

• at the time of the ITA or e-APR, the applicant did not or does not meet the MEC, which includes the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply"

"Ministerial Instructions created under the authority of section A10.3(1)(e) list the MEC for Express Entry. Applicants must meet the MEC to be accepted into the Express Entry pool and must also meet the MEC when they are issued an ITA and when they submit their e-APR."

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/refuse.asp

As you can see those two quotes contradict themselves.

 

[sanketpurnima]

There's nothing illegal here, the question is whether the officer assessing your application will accept it or reject it for not meeting the MEC (minimum entry criteria) when receiving an ITA.

"Accordingly, officers should refuse an application under section A11.2 if it is determined that

• at the time of the ITA or e-APR, the applicant did not or does not meet the MEC, which includes the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply"

"Ministerial Instructions created under the authority of section A10.3(1)(e) list the MEC for Express Entry. Applicants must meet the MEC to be accepted into the Express Entry pool and must also meet the MEC when they are issued an ITA and when they submit their e-APR."

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/refuse.asp

As you can see those two quotes contradict themselves.

So this states that the ITA is invalid as it came before completion of 1 year.( by law/rule).
On a seperate note, when i would get the rejection in case i accept the invite from above scenario(11 month). can it be at the very beginning itself, so that i can save some efforts. or i can be rejected at any stage once the officer notices the issue that the ITA was issues in 11 month

 

[DelPiero07]

Because one states that the MEC can be met at the time of the ITA OR eAPR and the other states that the MEC must be met when the ITA is issued.

OR being the key word

 

[DelPiero07]

If that were the case we wouldn't see people constantly get through when failing to meet the MEC at the ITA stage but meeting it at the eAPR stage.

 

[sanketpurnima]

I am not saying that doen't happen. I have seen people went through with that. All what I am saying is that these two quotes are the same but at the end the decision is up to the officer's discretion.

I dont think its the officers discretion. The fact that he has missed it and hence it wasnt caught.
The rule is that MEC should be meet when you get an ITA or eAPR.

Again we all are assuming things on past experience etc

 

[DelPiero07]

Those quotes are not the same.

Agree to disagree.

 

[jes_ON]

So this states that the ITA is invalid as it came before completion of 1 year.( by law/rule).

This is my interpretation. If you are still working and can afford to wait a month, why take the chance and hope for an error by the VO?

On a seperate note, when i would get the rejection in case i accept the invite from above scenario(11 month). can it be at the very beginning itself, so that i can save some efforts. or i can be rejected at any stage once the officer notices the issue that the ITA was issues in 11 month
It is not a completeness issue, so the refusal would not happen early - you could very well wait 6 months and then be refused.

 

[sanketpurnima]

Hi jes_ON, so does this mean that its fine if i reject there invite and wait till i complete 12 months. Later in future do i need to explain them as why i rejected the previous invites?

Also is it correct and legal that i keep the ITA and then submit the eAPR after 12months of completion. Provided i had a qualifying score since ITA was sent to me. ?

 

[jes_ON]

Hi jes_ON, so does this mean that its fine if i reject there invite and wait till i complete 12 months. Yes, that is OK.

Later in future do i need to explain them as why i rejected the previous invites? No.

Also is it correct and legal that i keep the ITA and then submit the eAPR after 12months of completion. Provided i had a qualifying score since ITA was sent to me. ?

Per my previous post, you are not qualified if you have not completed 1 year at the time of the ITA. It is not "illegal" to apply if you are not qualified, however you could waste a lot of time and money.

 

[Shivrajsinh]

@jes_ON @DelPiero07

I have 11 months of full time experience as a Civil Tech/Surveyor in Canada, and as a matter of fact Civil jobs are not available once it starts snowing especially if you new in field. Can i apply for PR under express entry and explain the situation? Becoz i really dont want to wait for 5 months for this.
Do i have to show all the paystubs of 12 months work? what if i am missing 2-3 biweekly pay stub?