Canadian Citizen with university degree from abroad

[mrbeachman]

If you've ever browsed the post-landing sections of Canada, you'll find many negative comments because people move to Canada expecting it to be a utopia, and we live in an age of entitlement where people believe even if they have foreign experience and education they should be handed a job. No surprise once they've stupidly emptied their savings and expect to be granted success, they get pissed off and blame other people for their own short-sightedness.

The Canadian market is very competitive. As an American with an American business degree with accounting minor I found it tough at first until I moved into a market that more valued my experience and education -- Calgary (and Alberta in general) has the oil/gas industry which is great for making a huge amount of money in almost every major field.

On the other hand, if you're from Germany, I don't see a reason to move. For far different reasons than the negative nancy's here. Many European countries (especially in the north/central) have a strong sense of identity and culture, and are more into spending money on friends/people and not on "things" -- some of us actually like going out and spending time socializing outside instead of being locked in a castle all year around. While it's a rising problem in Europe, it's not nearly as bad with these entitled minorities bringing their Middle Eastern (or MENA) and South Asian gutter culture expecting the west to give them things for immigrating. (a reason I would never move to the UK where gutter cultures have far more freedoms and an exaggerated sense of entitlement along with excessively liberal views allowing that kind of attitude to propagate)

You are wrong and your post is racist and hypocritical.

First you say the Canadian market is very competitive and then you say you moved to Alberta after you obviously could not get a job anywhere else. Well, newsflash..... if anyone knows a tiny bit about Canada they know that getting job in Alberta is not some kind of achievement one could brag on internet forums. Anyone can get a job in Alberta (and I mean that literally) as long as they are willing to put up with a certain lifestyle. So, yes.... if you are a new immigrant and you are strapped for cash, please do go to Alberta as you will be making 40,000 a year straight off the plane.

Yes, I could have chosen Alberta and then go on internet forums and then preach how smart I am because I got a job there. Instead, I choose Thailand simply because people in Asia are more pleasant to deal with. The racist comments you spewed in your post are so totally incorrect. As I said earlier, many native Canadian university educated people in Toronto and Montreal work for close to minimum wage. Why don't you tell then to go to Alberta?

 

[Bargeld]

First you say the Canadian market is very competitive and then you say you moved to Alberta after you obviously could not get a job anywhere else. Well, newsflash..... if anyone knows a tiny bit about Canada they know that getting job in Alberta is not some kind of achievement one could brag on internet forums. Anyone can get a job in Alberta (and I mean that literally) as long as they are willing to put up with a certain lifestyle. So, yes.... if you are a new immigrant and you are strapped for cash, please do go to Alberta as you will be making 40,000 a year straight off the plane.

You obviously have no concept of logic. A competitive market will force people elsewhere to find jobs, especially when other areas are more willing to objectively consider their credentials rather than the subjective "Canadian only" that's vastly seen out east.

I found another place to live because of how competitive the market was for people with my credentials, especially foreign creds.

I don't want to go back to school (which I might do anyways to earn another 20-35k/year), but it looks like it would be more lucrative for me.

Yes, I could have chosen Alberta and then go on internet forums and then preach how smart I am because I got a job there. Instead, I choose Thailand simply because people in Asia are more pleasant to deal with. The racist comments you spewed in your post are so totally incorrect. As I said earlier, many native Canadian university educated people in Toronto and Montreal work for close to minimum wage. Why don't you tell then to go to Alberta?

Job opportunities are better in Calgary alone for an educated/experienced American moving to Canada than the GTA, which says something. Native Canadians have a much easier time, especially if they intelligently selected the right industries to work in.

The irony is about racism.. people regularly post here about moving to areas of Canada that has people that look and think like them, conditions based on race/ethnicity. Somehow that's not racist, but decrying their cultures and staying away from their gutter influences of that logic is. I lol at this westernized liberal double standard you employ.. I bet they don't have that standard out in Thailand.

If I come off like I'm smarter than you, that's because when I read your post, I feel a lot better about myself.

 

[mrbeachman]

Again, there are a lot of assumptions in your post, one of them about my race (fyi, I am a white as a bleach Euro Atheist). I never socialized with anyone from my Euro trash country while in Canada and integrated quite well. This is why I was able to see first hand that native University educated Canadians have as much trouble getting jobs as immigrants do.

Then you go on about spewing some liberal nonsense as anyone outside United States cares about this crap and failed Obama/Bush policies that favour wall street. I certainly don't.

You moved to Alberta after admitting you could not get a job in the rest of Canada and I actually agree with you. There are plenty of jobs in Alberta where even a monkey can find a job. Congratulations!

The rest of your post is typical American left/right propaganda machine which the rest of the world does not care about.

 

[Bargeld]

Again, there are a lot of assumptions in your post, one of them about my race (fyi, I am a white as a bleach Euro Atheist). I never socialized with anyone from my Euro trash country while in Canada and integrated quite well. This is why I was able to see first hand that native University educated Canadians have as much trouble getting jobs as immigrants do.

Then you go on about spewing some liberal nonsense as anyone outside United States cares about this crap and failed Obama/Bush policies that favour wall street. I certainly don't.

You moved to Alberta after admitting you could not get a job in the rest of Canada and I actually agree with you. There are plenty of jobs in Alberta where even a monkey can find a job. Congratulations!

The rest of your post is typical American left/right propaganda machine which the rest of the world does not care about.

If I were you I'd touch up on my reading comprehension... significantly.

I never said a single thing about your "race", as in I never correlated you with any race.. where did you conjure this out of?

The Canadians that have trouble getting jobs out of uni are the ones that either won't choose where they live based on career employment and where it's in demand, or simply took a major that is useless in the real world, as I see quite often with liberal arts graduates.

Also, I never failed to get a job in Ontario, I didn't like the wages out there relative to my experience/education. They thought of my foreign experience/education as something less than Canadian, which is far less an issue in Alberta given their more American mindset.

I lol'd at the "propaganda" fluff. Someone sounds bitter that success is in an area where this stereotype of redneck is.

 

[mrbeachman]

If I were you I'd touch up on my reading comprehension... significantly.

I never said a single thing about your "race", as in I never correlated you with any race.. where did you conjure this out of?

The Canadians that have trouble getting jobs out of uni are the ones that either won't choose where they live based on career employment and where it's in demand, or simply took a major that is useless in the real world, as I see quite often with liberal arts graduates.
Also, I never failed to get a job in Ontario, I didn't like the wages out there relative to my experience/education. They thought of my foreign experience/education as something less than Canadian, which is far less an issue in Alberta given their more American mindset.

I lol'd at the "propaganda" fluff. Someone sounds bitter that success is in an area where this stereotype of redneck is.

So, as I assumed correctly, you are a hypocrite.

First you encourage the OP not to read negative stories.

Then you say (and I bolded it for you just in case) that people who have useless degrees basically deserve to be unemployed.

Since OP's wife has a degree in History and North American Studies and would classify that as a useless degree in Canada.

And since this degree was not even obtained in Canada, I would classify this degree being beyond useless.

Again, what is your problem with my post besides the fact that you stated the exact same thing?

You are a native English speaker.... remember? And you are accusing me of reading comprehension.

 

[Bargeld]

So, as I assumed correctly, you are a hypocrite.

First you encourage the OP not to read negative stories.

Then you say (and I bolded it for you just in case) that people who have useless degrees basically deserve to be unemployed.

Since OP's wife has a degree in History and North American Studies and would classify that as a useless degree in Canada.

And since this degree was not even obtained in Canada, I would classify this degree being beyond useless.

Again, what is your problem with my post besides the fact that you stated the exact same thing?

You are a native English speaker.... remember? And you are accusing me of reading comprehension.

I talk poorly about your reading comprehension because of your made up and completely logic defying statements such as the imagined suggestion I made in this topic "not to read negative stories".

If you're confused as to why I'm responding to you, you might want to look on the prior page where I respond to the OP to give him advice and you reply to my post babbling about racism this, Thailand that. It's clear you're just typing things and aren't very good at following along in a discussion.

 

[mrbeachman]

I think readers can decide on their own about who started ranting about liberals, race and other irrelevant things and make up their mind.

 

[Bargeld]

I think readers can decide on their own about who started ranting about liberals, race and other irrelevant things and make up their mind.

The guy who whines racism about criticizing cultures?

Or the guy who doesn't understand market competitiveness (read: overabundance of specific degree holders relative to demand for them) that drives down wages in provinces like Ontario cause people to move to other provinces to maximize their income?

If I had your intellect I'd have had the humility not to respond from the beginning. It's shameful.

 

[mrbeachman]

What is shameful and laughable is that English is your native language and you can not even make a proper argument.

You resort to racism and in typical peasant fashion you bring up left/right groups of American society that have nothing to do with real life. What is even funnier you renamed blatant racism in your post as "Criticizing a Culture". Shameful.... I am sure you are a regular poster at stormfront.

 

[NetMecca]

Hi

I have spent some time in Central Europe (2.5 years) and traveled a fair bit around there, before coming to Canada. I have to agree, immigration is challenging under the best of circumstances, and if you intend to do it, it will require some resolve and commitment. And if you are not motivated to come, you will likely not succeed.

That said. I choose Canada over any european country any day of the week. I love Canada and will definitely be calling it home for years to come. (even if other options present themselves)

Cheers!!..

 

[Bargeld]

typical American left/right propaganda machine which the rest of the world does not care about.

What is even funnier you renamed blatant racism in your post as "Criticizing a Culture". Shameful.... I am sure you are a regular poster at stormfront.

Kid just described himself, LOL.

 

[corazon3]

What is shameful and laughable is that English is your native language and you can not even make a proper argument.

You resort to racism and in typical peasant fashion you bring up left/right groups of American society that have nothing to do with real life. What is even funnier you renamed blatant racism in your post as "Criticizing a Culture". Shameful.... I am sure you are a regular poster at stormfront.

This guy (Bargeld) is a troll on CIC's payroll. Don't feed the troll! You bet. He's farting around all over the places, high-fiving his buddies at Stormfront.

 

[corazon3]

From my experience, foreign degree in liberal arts or social sciences is not only beyond useless but also quite harmful. On the one hand, it does not qualify you for qualified job here due to lack of connections and money-generating skills (after all, it is capitalism. Your value for the company depends on the amount of revenue you can bring in). On the other hand, it overqualifies you for a survival job. I had to delete all my British degrees (MSc and PhD) from my CV to get a call centre Job. Next February I will start a 1-year college diploma in accounting. Once I finish it, I will only include my college diploma on CV and keep university education behind the scenes until I penetrate the skilled job market and start climbing up levels. Although probably before that happens Mogadishu will beat Helsinki to become the world's safest and most livable city.

It's a big mistake to abandon several yrs of your work and start all over. It takes a lot of time just to remain competitive and keep current with scholarship in your discipline. If you keep working at a Call Centre and in addition to that try to get a diploma, it's like giving up your academic career, several yrs of hard work. I know a UK PhD unlike a US PhD is considered as a joke not only in Canada but also in the rest of the world. I've seen many Oxford PhDs unemployed in the US and taking crappy teaching jobs in Asia. But if you manage to get CA citizenship, you can leave and get a teaching job in Russia or in the former Soviet Union countries in central Asia or Eastern Europe or your home country Georgia. But you have to publish and attend academic conferences, etc.

 

[on-hold]

Mr. Beachman, I totally understand -- this is something most people in the West don't realize, that on a day-to-day level, life in a place like Thailand is so much better than Canada (or America, or England, or Germany) that there's no comparison. My wife and I only came to Canada when we had a kid, for a number of reasons, but we miss her village (in NE Thailand) very much. We were sick of the political conflict, and the class divisions in society, but life was wonderful. But what you say about employment in SE Asia, a lot of that is simply because those economies grow at 4% in their worst year -- whereas in North America you're lucky to hit 2%. Same for the saturated market for college grads, PhDs, this is the mark of an aging demographic that just isn't producing as much as it used to.

I've supported Bargeld in arguments before, but the 'gutter cultures' is just unacceptable.

I came to Alberta myself, I couldn't find a good job elsewhere in Canada -- I'm not ashamed of it, because I want to work in the field that I studied. I feel sorry for people who can't, it's terribly frustrating. But when you think about it, this is not a solution to the employment market -- if every unemployed person came to Alberta, that would create more problems than it solved. Likewise with the debate between 'useful' and 'useless' degrees: if all the history majors became engineers, the engineers would shout the loudest at how their wages came down. Somehow Canada has to develop a balanced economy, that employs intelligent people in jobs fit for working.

 

[Bargeld]

Mr. Beachman, I totally understand -- this is something most people in the West don't realize, that on a day-to-day level, life in a place like Thailand is so much better than Canada (or America, or England, or Germany) that there's no comparison. My wife and I only came to Canada when we had a kid, for a number of reasons, but we miss her village (in NE Thailand) very much. We were sick of the political conflict, and the class divisions in society, but life was wonderful. But what you say about employment in SE Asia, a lot of that is simply because those economies grow at 4% in their worst year -- whereas in North America you're lucky to hit 2%. Same for the saturated market for college grads, PhDs, this is the mark of an aging demographic that just isn't producing as much as it used to.

I've supported Bargeld in arguments before, but the 'gutter cultures' is just unacceptable.

I came to Alberta myself, I couldn't find a good job elsewhere in Canada -- I'm not ashamed of it, because I want to work in the field that I studied. I feel sorry for people who can't, it's terribly frustrating. But when you think about it, this is not a solution to the employment market -- if every unemployed person came to Alberta, that would create more problems than it solved. Likewise with the debate between 'useful' and 'useless' degrees: if all the history majors became engineers, the engineers would shout the loudest at how their wages came down. Somehow Canada has to develop a balanced economy, that employs intelligent people in jobs fit for working.

The engineers already complain because immigrants from the same few countries keep immigrating to the same area (GTA) to be with people that look like them instead of where the jobs are, then the immigrants sit there and whine about lack of jobs in their industry, causing some of us not to feel bad. Maybe if they had a more useful degree that wasn't at the behest of one or two industries they'd find work easier.

Anyways, the reason the US in particular has a problem with growth is because all they rely on are debt and consumption, whereas in Asia they are more stable with production and savings. The US has to severely inflate it's economy just to keep the illusion that they aren't in a recession, which says something. A decade ago they inflated the economy to cause an enormous boom in the housing market which rippled to other industries.. now they're re-inflating the housing market but the other industries aren't responding. So the government has resorted to more and more stimulus in the form of QE to try and artificially create growth, spiking the punch bowl of drunk speculative investors/traders. At one point when they realize their investments have no value, they'll cut ties and move their capital to Asia, where the illusion that the US is even growing at all won't be able to be sustained (raising interest rates regardless of what the Fed does at that point). I can only hope the usual suspect trolls that say the US is so great are there in the US with the ship sinks, and hopefully Canada denies them re-entry when they try and escape to a better managed economy more within it's margins of reality.

About gutter cultures, that's what the west (US, Canada, and some of Europe) has been dealing with, these gutter cultures primarily from the same small handful of countries that take advantage of western sympathy and opportunity to endlessly complain about not being given red carpet treatment, and when they break the law like immigrants from Mexico to the US often do, they're given even further red carpet treatment in the form of amnesty. They try and change the culture of the place they move to be more like the ****hole they left.. I wish westernized nations would better stand up to it instead of in liberal or PC fashion, bend over to it and abetting this attitude that they're entitled to things and the country they immigrated to should bend over to them just because they left their old country. They either do things the way the country they're moving to does, or get the **** out. Some posters on these forums are from those countries that come to Canada, for one, expecting Canada to give them opportunity regardless of where they live, they don't smartly invest into getting into local markets if they want to stay in the same place, and often times don't pick (like me) where the better job markets are, especially for their industry. They just want things handed to them for as little effort as possible, and I don't feel bad for them when they stupidly deplete their savings and go back home pissed off with this inability to adapt, expecting Canada to bend to the almighty immigrant more than they already do.