Canada prime minister to name cabinet on Wednesday May 18, 2011

[nano24482]

Interesting discussions going on in this thread.

I feel that skilled worker category and Canadian experience class immigration will continue as usual or with some modifications as Canadians need workers(in all skill levels). They may reduce age limits as they want younger workers.

The one to be axed in conservative govt will be refugees(lets accept that most of them do not have skills to survive in Canada) and family class(parents, grand parents). They can increase the processing time or they may provide another type of visa like extended visiting visas to parents(which won't provide insurance)

 

[jnathan]

Excellent Analysis by Qorax !

 

[fariza]

Thanks Captain for unveiling the true scenario with critical analysis on reason behind and for anticipating the likely future strategy for the reelected govt on IMM policy... Its rather scary for us waiting near the bridge but...have to accept the reality!!!!

 

[ADUFE]

By the way, most new immigrants do not bring that much money... many of us dwindle our settlement funds in a few months, before starting earning... & quite a few ppl hit the Social Security as well.

But, the immigration policy is not only about FSW/PNP/CEC/QSW, & how many come-in under Business Class any way? What about the Refugee Claimants? They come-in empty handed... get a shelter for free [Hydro/Gas included] & the IRPA Allowances!!!

I know of many who didn't vacate the TDHB homes for yrs to come [22 yrs in a case] - while that was provided only for an intermediate pd., to settle-down & move-on... they declined to settle-down in 22 yrs.!!! And past 62, r getting the CPP too !!!

And who pays for it? -U & me, thru the tax funds ! Canada is a Welfare State - too good at it... this is what bugs the ppl on the streets today.

Besides, many come here with attitudinal issues / behavioural disorders - they just won't settle-down, can't... every job that they take [if they could] ends-up getting fired - in 4-6 months too... and they carry-on like that yrs. together... cursing the system [sometimes every aspect of it] - but do they go back? -NO... they remain here, rear their families, with Govt. aid, but cribbing all along -- and many get their folks as well -- then the vicious circle continues.

If u thought these freeloaders were a rarity/scarce - go to Dixon/Kipling, Danforth Ave, Christie St., Albion/Finch - I could go on -- and u'd know. Then these r the Toronto locations - there r similar stories in other cities as well.

We'd say they came from failed states, atrocities galore, we need to help them, if not us - who would? - but the guy in the street doesn't care when his taxes go-up... they chose to elect a Govt. who'd take notice.

Qorax
Ps.: This is not my opinion - but a reflection of the feelers I get during my day-to-day interactions.

Exactly what do the new immigrants dwindle their settlement funds on in the first few months? Are those funds not used to rent houses IN Canada, buy groceries IN Canada? So, basically all these funds feed the Canadian economy albeit in a few short months. Is it the immigrants (the economic category specifically) if they are not able to get jobs in which they are skilled and were supposedly granted PR because their skills are not recognized as well as due to a lack of the elusive "Canadian experience"? Is the government by not ensuring that skilled immigrants can work in their profession as soon as they land not setting up themselves for the scenario you described? If you immigrants to be financially independent, please make it as easy as possible for them to work in their professions; surely that is the obvious solution?

Yes how many FSW/PNP/CEC/QSW, & Business Class applicants are there compared to refugee claimants? And how much do they all collectively bring to the Canadian economy compared to how much is spent on refugee claimants? I would certainly like to have the statistics!

If any program should be scrapped, IMHO it should be the family class sponsorship (parents and grandparents), I really do not see why after a person is granted PR they are now allowed to bring in parents who in most cases would probably not be able to work due to their age and would consequently be a drain on the economy.I'm not even sure any other country in the world has this kind of program for parents and grandparents of PRs/citizens. I've always also wondered how such people find it easy after li

 

[ADUFE]

Sorry for that, here's the rest.
I've always wondered how people who have lived fmost of their lives in their own countries adjust to a different environment and culture at such a presumably advanced age.

Lastly, for those Canadians who seem to have a problem with more economic immigrants coming in, they ought to be reminded that they and their ancestors were all immigrants (a good number of them being refugees from Ireland for that matter) in the not so distant past. And they, unlike us, did not seek permission from the original inhabitants of the land (the first nations) before moving in!

 

[Sans_May2010]

True

Sorry for that, here's the rest.
I've always wondered how people who have lived fmost of their lives in their own countries adjust to a different environment and culture at such a presumably advanced age.

Lastly, for those Canadians who seem to have a problem with more economic immigrants coming in, they ought to be reminded that they and their ancestors were all immigrants (a good number of them being refugees from Ireland for that matter) in the not so distant past. And they, unlike us, did not seek permission from the original inhabitants of the land (the first nations) before moving in!

 

[jnathan]

Adufe,

True. They sailed their ships/boats over the Atlantic and reached the Shore of Canada and started living.
They didnt need to score 67 lol. not even a zero.

 

[qorax]

Exactly what do the new immigrants dwindle their settlement funds on in the first few months? Are those funds not used to rent houses IN Canada, buy groceries IN Canada? So, basically all these funds feed the Canadian economy albeit in a few short months. Is it the immigrants (the economic category specifically) if they are not able to get jobs in which they are skilled and were supposedly granted PR because their skills are not recognized as well as due to a lack of the elusive "Canadian experience"? Is the government by not ensuring that skilled immigrants can work in their profession as soon as they land not setting up themselves for the scenario you described? If you immigrants to be financially independent, please make it as easy as possible for them to work in their professions; surely that is the obvious solution?

Yes how many FSW/PNP/CEC/QSW, & Business Class applicants are there compared to refugee claimants? And how much do they all collectively bring to the Canadian economy compared to how much is spent on refugee claimants? I would certainly like to have the statistics!

If any program should be scrapped, IMHO it should be the family class sponsorship (parents and grandparents), I really do not see why after a person is granted PR they are now allowed to bring in parents who in most cases would probably not be able to work due to their age and would consequently be a drain on the economy.I'm not even sure any other country in the world has this kind of program for parents and grandparents of PRs/citizens. I've always also wondered how such people find it easy after li

True - there is a flaw somewhere.

But also look@it this way -- U r the employer in your homeland, u have a vacancy, many apply, as usual quite a few r pretty good, now comes a foreigner candidate, says this & that - has all the bells-n-whistles - seems quite good as well -- but whom do u offer the position?

Qorax

 

[qorax]

Contd.

But that's not the case always... I know of many folks here who were offered [comparable] jobs w/out any Canadian Quals/Exp too. By many I really mean 'many' - & that's my knowledge, imagine how many more would be there around.

Somewhere, in another thread, sometime back, I did mention a 'list' of the names... Take Explorer for that matter, no overseas exp, landed explored & in a few months started working for CIBC, full time/permanent employee. Ankit, just landed a week+ back - already has an offer in his pocket - in the same field too. I have more...

But the fact remains, as I've stated in an earlier post on this very thread... many of us r just not 'cut' for the job here, as yet. Besides the quals/exp we need to really develop 'soft-skills', master the language*, garnish our people-skills... it's so important all over the world nowadays, unfortunately mighty important in Canada.

Qorax

*I saw a turbaned gentleman the other day@a quasi-Govt. office... he refused to spk any other lingo but his... and 'demanded' someone to come-up with his language too. Imagine the queer & helpless looks@the faces of those [mostly white] employees? Yes, this is not normally seen, probably the guy had a Bi-Polar Disorder, but how about those who do spk English - but others do not comprehend?

 

[pearl2010]

haha... 'dad/brother/loanshark/goldfish'...what next Wayne

Now you know why I get annoyed when applicants here start asking if it's "ok if I don't supply bank statements and just a bank certificate cos my dad/brother/loanshark/goldfish lent me the settlement funds cos I don't have enough money". Then when I tell them that pretending settlement funds belong to you, when in fact you've just borrowed them, is not only cheating the system and illegal, but also cheating yourselves in arriving in Canada with so much debt and so little finance - I get shot down for it!

Wayne.

 

[canadaforall]

True Ma'am.
Initially the Plan-B rests on having enough $$$. Which many of us [knowingly] overlook.

Well, but i think CHC does not like when people show funds above the stated amount. I should double the funds for 2 people, but visa officer wanted a 6 months bank statement. Anyway, since all the money belongs to me, i am ready to send the statement when he will request it. I put my money in a Bond so that i will not be tempted to use it and i will also earn some interest. I know the said bond will mature before i move to Canada.

So in effect i do not know which one is better. To show exact amount or more.

 

[ADUFE]

Contd.

But that's not the case always... I know of many folks here who were offered [comparable] jobs w/out any Canadian Quals/Exp too. By many I really mean 'many' - & that's my knowledge, imagine how many more would be there around.

Somewhere, in another thread, sometime back, I did mention a 'list' of the names... Take Explorer for that matter, no overseas exp, landed explored & in a few months started working for CIBC, full time/permanent employee. Ankit, just landed a week+ back - already has an offer in his pocket - in the same field too. I have more...

But the fact remains, as I've stated in an earlier post on this very thread... many of us r just not 'cut' for the job here, as yet. Besides the quals/exp we need to really develop 'soft-skills', master the language*, garnish our people-skills... it's so important all over the world nowadays, unfortunately mighty important in Canada.

Qorax

*I saw a turbaned gentleman the other day @ a quasi-Govt. office... he refused to spk any other lingo but his... and 'demanded' someone to come-up with his language too. Imagine the queer & helpless looks @ the faces of those [mostly white] employees? Yes, this is not normally seen, probably the guy had a Bi-Polar Disorder, but how about those who do spk English - but others do not comprehend?

True, but the government still has a lot do in making it easier for people to work in their professions once they land in Canada. BTW, I found the last part of your post completely hilarious! ;D Did that really happy?! Wish I was there!Lol!

 

[ADUFE]

Adufe,

True. They sailed their ships/boats over the Atlantic and reached the Shore of Canada and started living.
They didnt need to score 67 lol. not even a zero.

LOL!!!

 

[Cappuccino]

Well, but i think CHC does not like when people show funds above the stated amount. I should double the funds for 2 people, but visa officer wanted a 6 months bank statement. Anyway, since all the money belongs to me, i am ready to send the statement when he will request it. I put my money in a Bond so that i will not be tempted to use it and i will also earn some interest. I know the said bond will mature before i move to Canada.

So in effect i do not know which one is better. To show exact amount or more.

IMO it is advisable to show the maximum amount of funding that you can. Perhaps more importantly, it is advisable to TAKE as much funds as you can when you move to Canada. Because, it ain't gonna be cheap!

See this I think is where the system is failing. Currently it seems CIO is accepting a bank certificate only (post June 2010 now all supporting documents are sent with initial application), and then when the application gets to the visa office and in process, the visa officer asks for 6 months statements. The problem is that it is usually more than 6 months from receipt at CIO when the visa officer gets round to looking at the application.

So it is easy for someone to borrow money, pretend it is theirs, include only a balance certificate from the bank - and then when the visa officer asks for 6 months statements they can provide those 6 months statements because the initial very large deposit of the borrowed money is older than 6 months. Then they land in Canada, and if they "dwindle their settlement funds in a few months" they are dwindling funds which are not even theirs! So they are tens of thousands of dollars in debt - rather than being in net credit.


IMO the solution is simple. Any bank related proof of funding must be accompanied by at least 6 months bank statements at the initial CIO stage, or instant rejection. Hell, I'd make it 12 months bank statements just to make it even harder for people to borrow money. If the account was opened less than 12 months ago then source of any initial deposits should be shown.

By prevent people borrowing money for immigration it is
- Fairer on the Canadian welfare system and those that pay the taxes to uphold it
- Fairer on the other, genuine applicants who are applying using funds of their own
- Fairer on the immigrants themselves, since they are not landing in Canada under massive financial burden

My 2 cents,
Wayne.

 

[qorax]

IMO it is advisable to show the maximum amount of funding that you can. Perhaps more importantly, it is advisable to TAKE as much funds as you can when you move to Canada. Because, it ain't gonna be cheap!

See this I think is where the system is failing. Currently it seems CIO is accepting a bank certificate only (post June 2010 now all supporting documents are sent with initial application), and then when the application gets to the visa office and in process, the visa officer asks for 6 months statements. The problem is that it is usually more than 6 months from receipt at CIO when the visa officer gets round to looking at the application.

So it is easy for someone to borrow money, pretend it is theirs, include only a balance certificate from the bank - and then when the visa officer asks for 6 months statements they can provide those 6 months statements because the initial very large deposit of the borrowed money is older than 6 months. Then they land in Canada, and if they "dwindle their settlement funds in a few months" they are dwindling funds which are not even theirs! So they are tens of thousands of dollars in debt - rather than being in net credit.


IMO the solution is simple. Any bank related proof of funding must be accompanied by at least 6 months bank statements at the initial CIO stage, or instant rejection. Hell, I'd make it 12 months bank statements just to make it even harder for people to borrow money. If the account was opened less than 12 months ago then source of any initial deposits should be shown.

By prevent people borrowing money for immigration it is
- Fairer on the Canadian welfare system and those that pay the taxes to uphold it
- Fairer on the other, genuine applicants who are applying using funds of their own
- Fairer on the immigrants themselves, since they are not landing in Canada under massive financial burden

My 2 cents,
Wayne.

Well said.
Those 2 cents of yours were really worth.