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Canada Move Discussion (2014 FSW - People in USA on H1B)

rahulaanshi

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Yes Guys,

Very nice discussion topic. We should also share knowledge, experience for transitioning from US to Canada.

In my view, moving from US to CAN all depends on your plan, your goals - Where you want to do what and how..? If the answer is favorable to you then Yes for that country OR No.

1) We all want to be happy whatever we do. At the age of 30 or after, we have kids or will have. In that case we must have stability in terms of status. In younger age, it is OK to take more risk and move here and there. If someone very senior in the job at US and if you do not want to start your own business very soon then I think they should stay at US. Now a days only EB1 GC working fine, rest of the EBs are taking much much time. If someone have senior position, earning six figure salary, good seniority and presence in the company rather than just a mid level or junior level then that job will get benefit, in fact those persons can be transferred at the cost of company until some settlement interms of visa or GC will be done.

2) If you want to start business, if you are mid level like me, i think moving Canada is better. But we have to go with the plan. as suggested by some other people here, we can still stay up to 3 years in US after getting Canadian PR and this 3 years we can use for our settlement. We can find job from here in US. The saving we accumulate in US we can think to invest in small business in Canada if we want to do.

3) My sister is living overthere in canada for last 10 years. Based on her experience I can tell that Yes Canada is tough for jobs, but once we pass through struggling phase (she had for 1 year) things will be normal. you will get living standard same as in US but you may save less compared to US. Savings in Canada is less due to high taxes, insurances etc. on other hand, getting PR is easy, benefits are more compared to US like child benefit, government programs for start up things, free health etc which is important at later age.

4) My conclusion is - if we 30 and above & below 55-60, have kid or kids, US-GC in EB1 is less likely to be in process, US GC EB2/3 priority date is too far, your position at company is like mid important or less, you want your parents stay with you as soon as possible, THEN get Canadian PR over US as soon as possible and try finding ways to settle in Canada. Do not wait for US GC. Also after getting Canadian PR if you will be employed by Canadian employer to work in his US office, your PR will remain active. After getting Canadian passport you can use TN visa on the border. So after moving to Canada story to work in US is not over..!! (if you still want to come US OR you did not settle well in Canada).

On other hand, If you are 35-40 or above but your job position is strong, your are senior and you feel your roles are not like a general and important to your employer then you do not have to worry as your employer by hook and crook will do something as his own cost to settle you well or pay you more.

And if you are younger and unmarried, do not worry. you are free to move and later at the age of 30 or beyond, you would become focus as you feel stability is more important.

Guys correct me at above if I am wrong or add your suggestions or strategy to settle well in this transition.
 

rahulaanshi

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Jul 15, 2014
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Hello 'Jisho'

Your are right, we should write here something sincere and meaningful. I think after getting Canada PR you will have 3 years in US. after that you MUST have to go Canada to maintain Canadian PR.

The goal is if we can get as similar job & living standard in Canada as like in US, then YES for Canada. so this goal we can try to achieve in 3 years after getting Canadian PR.

In my knowledge, to get the job in Canada is tough compare to US. So if you have some kind business plan in mind and in this 3 year after making frequent trips to Canada if we feel that we can start good business (part time or full time), then that's a very good option in parallel to finding job in Canada from here in US. So in this case at-least we will have some relief that something is also there in part time with whatever level of full time job we may get.


jisho said:
Very well put up and you almost spoke my mind. Believe me or not, but I am in a identical situation.
Regarding Canada PR, I know I have a year to a land after I get the PR card and then in next 5 years I have to be in Canada for total of around 2 or 3 years. So I have time to think and take the approach that works the best for me and my family.

My US GC is in process and my wife does not have a job because she does not have a H1. Lets see if she gets lucky in the lottery this time.

Just one thought.....many times we close our eyes and force ourselves to believe things, only to discover, especially when it is too late, that all our hopes, aspirations were false, unsubstantiated and were mere illusions. I am not against Canada or US. I just want to take the most informed decision. Therefore, I request everybody to substantiate whatever they think are the pros and cons and not just write vague statements like "I wont take US GC even if handed on a silver platter". We are here to find the whys and the hows, so please defend your thoughts.

For me and for all of us in the US, we have to remember that it will be very difficult for us to come back to the US again so every step that we take has to be perfect and calculated. There is proverb that says "when you have teeth, you don't understand the value of teeth. Only when it is gone that you understand the value of teeth."
 

sk13

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You are right !!! Especially with the point: "if you are in age 30, and mid level position and want parents to live with you. "

Right now, I am exploring below options in the same priority order. If any one has any info on these points, please post here. That would really be a great help!

1) Working on the border. Mostly Detroit and Windsor. Planning to relocate my job to Detroit, and have family in Windsor. Commute daily.

2) Find a Canadian employer in US, and work for them in US on H1B. This will also count towards your Citizenship in Canada.

3) Relocate to Canada with in 3 year period time to maintain the PR status.

We never know when we will get the GC in US. If miracle happens, you may get it in 3 years, and you may get it in 7-8 years.






rahulaanshi said:
Yes Guys,

Very nice discussion topic. We should also share knowledge, experience for transitioning from US to Canada.

In my view, moving from US to CAN all depends on your plan, your goals - Where you want to do what and how..? If the answer is favorable to you then Yes for that country OR No.

1) We all want to be happy whatever we do. At the age of 30 or after, we have kids or will have. In that case we must have stability in terms of status. In younger age, it is OK to take more risk and move here and there. If someone very senior in the job at US and if you do not want to start your own business very soon then I think they should stay at US. Now a days only EB1 GC working fine, rest of the EBs are taking much much time. If someone have senior position, earning six figure salary, good seniority and presence in the company rather than just a mid level or junior level then that job will get benefit, in fact those persons can be transferred at the cost of company until some settlement interms of visa or GC will be done.

2) If you want to start business, if you are mid level like me, i think moving Canada is better. But we have to go with the plan. as suggested by some other people here, we can still stay up to 3 years in US after getting Canadian PR and this 3 years we can use for our settlement. We can find job from here in US. The saving we accumulate in US we can think to invest in small business in Canada if we want to do.

3) My sister is living overthere in canada for last 10 years. Based on her experience I can tell that Yes Canada is tough for jobs, but once we pass through struggling phase (she had for 1 year) things will be normal. you will get living standard same as in US but you may save less compared to US. Savings in Canada is less due to high taxes, insurances etc. on other hand, getting PR is easy, benefits are more compared to US like child benefit, government programs for start up things, free health etc which is important at later age.

4) My conclusion is - if we 30 and above & below 55-60, have kid or kids, US-GC in EB1 is less likely to be in process, US GC EB2/3 priority date is too far, your position at company is like mid important or less, you want your parents stay with you as soon as possible, THEN get Canadian PR over US as soon as possible and try finding ways to settle in Canada. Do not wait for US GC. Also after getting Canadian PR if you will be employed by Canadian employer to work in his US office, your PR will remain active. After getting Canadian passport you can use TN visa on the border. So after moving to Canada story to work in US is not over..!! (if you still want to come US OR you did not settle well in Canada).

On other hand, If you are 35-40 or above but your job position is strong, your are senior and you feel your roles are not like a general and important to your employer then you do not have to worry as your employer by hook and crook will do something as his own cost to settle you well or pay you more.

And if you are younger and unmarried, do not worry. you are free to move and later at the age of 30 or beyond, you would become focus as you feel stability is more important.

Guys correct me at above if I am wrong or add your suggestions or strategy to settle well in this transition.
 

torontosm

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sk13 said:
You are right !!! Especially with the point: "if you are in age 30, and mid level position and want parents to live with you. "
2) Find a Canadian employer in US, and work for them in US on H1B. This will also count towards your Citizenship in Canada.
Working for a Canadian company abroad does NOT count towards citizenship. It may count towards your residency obligation, but only if you first work for the Canadian company in Canada for a period of time, and then the company transfers you abroad. Otherwise, if you just work for a Canadian company outside of Canada, it will not count towards your residency either.
 

sk13

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Thanks for the insight, but I feel it is possible. Please check below posts. I will try to find some one who did this mean while.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/become-eligibility.asp#status


Check OPTION 2. in below link:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA






torontosm said:
Working for a Canadian company abroad does NOT count towards citizenship. It may count towards your residency obligation, but only if you first work for the Canadian company in Canada for a period of time, and then the company transfers you abroad. Otherwise, if you just work for a Canadian company outside of Canada, it will not count towards your residency either.
 

torontosm

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sk13 said:
Thanks for the insight, but I feel it is possible. Please check below posts. I will try to find some one who did this mean while.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/become-eligibility.asp#status


Check OPTION 2. in below link:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA
Your links show exactly what I said. In the first, it clearly says that you must live in Canada for 3/4 year (now changed to 4/6 years, effective this summer). Moreover, Bill c-24 clarified this further by maintaining that you must maintain physical presence of 4 years in Canada to qualify for citizenship.

In the second link you provided, it says that you must be employed by a Canadian company, and be assigned to a posting outside of Canada. It then goes on to list a few other things that are required to show that this "posting" is not merely being done for the sake of satisfying the residency obligation.

It is possible, but just getting any job with a Canadian company will not help you satisfy the RO and will definitely not count towards citizenship.
 

MidoRafa

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Great thread!
Thank you all for the insightful discussion and thank you sk13 for sharing your and your coworkers' views.
 

sk13

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mmm, you are right! Thanks for the input and thoughts.

So now I have only two options:

1) Relocate to Canada, and start settling down over there. Struggle a little bit initially and then enjoy rest of the life.

2) Live in Border city, and work in US, until I get Canada citizenship, and also maintain US status ... ( am I too greedy? )


Any other thoughts guys?

torontosm said:
Your links show exactly what I said. In the first, it clearly says that you must live in Canada for 3/4 year (now changed to 4/6 years, effective this summer). Moreover, Bill c-24 clarified this further by maintaining that you must maintain physical presence of 4 years in Canada to qualify for citizenship.

In the second link you provided, it says that you must be employed by a Canadian company, and be assigned to a posting outside of Canada. It then goes on to list a few other things that are required to show that this "posting" is not merely being done for the sake of satisfying the residency obligation.

It is possible, but just getting any job with a Canadian company will not help you satisfy the RO and will definitely not count towards citizenship.
 

Carmageddon

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sk13 said:
mmm, you are right! Thanks for the input and thoughts.

So now I have only two options:

1) Relocate to Canada, and start settling down over there. Struggle a little bit initially and then enjoy rest of the life.

2) Live in Border city, and work in US, until I get Canada citizenship, and also maintain US status ... ( am I too greedy? )


Any other thoughts guys?

I think it is NOT greedy.
In fact, this thread gave me the same idea - I will begin with Canada as its easier, and a safe harbor to always fall back on.
Then begin seeking for an employer and sponsor on an H1B visa on a US Border cities, with the aim of getting a GC some day.

Thanks for that idea, keeping the American Dream alive! 8)
 

rahulaanshi

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Jul 15, 2014
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There is no harm to maintain both US and Canada status, but what I think over the period of time, you need stability. we cant just move here and there and re-create our disconnected history, credit in that country. Not good for kids also. In that sense, we can find lots of job in entire world, but we cant just keep moving.. that's what I think.

Personally, I moved from UK to US. just in two countries moving, I can tell you it is much tired, sometimes meaningless... right now our priority is to get stability but after 4-5 years, our priority will not be again moving back to US, settling again and building up history.

I do not know if US bank/credit history can be transferred and equivalent to Canadian standards Can they accept our US credit report and consider some equivalent points..?

And I do not think that we can get benefit from both countries in future having Canadian passport and US GC. our physical presence will decide that and if that is possible, then I think millions of people already would have done that..Both governments must have taken steps to close loop hole.




sk13 said:
mmm, you are right! Thanks for the input and thoughts.

So now I have only two options:

1) Relocate to Canada, and start settling down over there. Struggle a little bit initially and then enjoy rest of the life.

2) Live in Border city, and work in US, until I get Canada citizenship, and also maintain US status ... ( am I too greedy? )


Any other thoughts guys?
 

sk13

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: 12-01-2015, <br>Passports Sent: 15-Jan-2015, <br>Passport Recved: 16-Jan-2015<br>Shipping: Xpresspost USA
VISA ISSUED...
Tracker Activated: 03-Feb-2015, <br>Passports got Back: 06-Feb-2015
Ok Guys, I spoke to Nexus Customer Care, and here are the highlights:

1) You need PR Card to apply it. VISA Print in passport is not sufficient, they need PR Card Number

2) You have to be inside either Canada or US for last 3 years (your out of country travels must be less than 30 days)

3) You should either Canada or USA PR holder

4) If you PR holder of one country, then you should provide sufficient proof that you could enter other country on a valid VISA

5) Of course, your all background checks should be clean

6) Interview inside Canada is a good option

7) You can apply it from USA also, if you have a PR card in hand, but would face a tough interview.

8) So the best plan would be, after landing and getting PR card into hand, apply for nexus while you are in Canada (check the wait times), and get it before you embark to USA.


All the best!
 

zentury

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minnesotamrk said:
Thanks SK for starting this topic. I have been living in the US for over 10 years now, 8 of which are on my H-1B work visa. I'm one of the millions of people waiting in line for GC. My wife is on H4 and she absolutely hates the fact that she cannot work. In the last 4 years she received 6 job offers but was very "unlucky" in making it in the H-1B lottery.

We almost decided on going back to our home country last year because my wife can have great career and with my education and experience I would do well too. That's when I came across the Canadian FSW 2014 program and my wife's profession was one of the NOC professions. We applied for the PR towards the end of June and within 6 months received out PR visa. It was such a smooth and efficient immigration process. We have never set foot in Canada but still could apply for permanent residence and get it approved within 6 months.

In June last year, the US immigration finally realized that the restrictions on H4 visa are not keeping up with the current immigration issues. There was a proposed rule by the congress to provide work authorization to H4 visa holders whose H-1B spouses have completed the I-140 stage of GC. The rule has not yet been finalized but with the recent news reports it looks like it will be very soon. This is such a big relief to families like mine. It's not always about the salary, it is about the goals and aspirations of each individual (irrespective of gender).

Now, the dilemma is what to do with the Canadian PR. It definitely sounds promising that there will not be a need for work visas, visa appointments and paperwork every single time we leave/enter the US. Canada PR also definitely acts a dependable back up option in certain unforeseen employment events in the US. We are glad that at least we have a couple of years to make the decision of whether to move to Canada or stay back in the US.
Wow you just mentioned exactly the situation I'm in, right now.
:)
Like you mentioned it's the educated partner, who could have achieved better back home, is unable to gain traction in US.

We also decided to give a shot for the H4 EADs, if that works best we 'might' stay back.
But Canadian PR will definitely avoid all the hassles we got with H1/H4.
 

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Great points listed above! I really liked reading your comparison.

sk13 said:
Any more addition guys?
 

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Great piece of information, wasn't aware that this option was available.

sk13 said:
Ok Guys, I spoke to Nexus Customer Care, and here are the highlights:

1) You need PR Card to apply it. VISA Print in passport is not sufficient, they need PR Card Number

2) You have to be inside either Canada or US for last 3 years (your out of country travels must be less than 30 days)

3) You should either Canada or USA PR holder

4) If you PR holder of one country, then you should provide sufficient proof that you could enter other country on a valid VISA

5) Of course, your all background checks should be clean

6) Interview inside Canada is a good option

7) You can apply it from USA also, if you have a PR card in hand, but would face a tough interview.

8) So the best plan would be, after landing and getting PR card into hand, apply for nexus while you are in Canada (check the wait times), and get it before you embark to USA.


All the best!
 

justChill_FSW2014

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This looks like a good idea for forum :) I read few people started applying for jobs as soon as they received PPR. may I ask if they gave their US phone number as contact information or got a Canadian phone number? was exploring options to get IP based Canadian phone number but would like to know if any members have done that before or it's not necessary