Can I apply second time for refugee status?

[nicemanhere]

Hello. 18 years ago I was deported because my refugee claim was denied.
now for little a while i live in Canada, under radar.
can i apply second time for refugee status? i'm from Ukraine.
are they going to arrest and deport me as soon i will apply ?
or they will accept my refugee application and i have some legal status for 6-12 month?


what i have found and understand i will be deported immediately, they have only copy of my old passport ,how long it will take them to deport me?

on youtube video:
your claim maybe rejeted if you:
2; Have been refused refugee protection in Canada before. maybe???

thanks

 

[PMM]

Hi

Hello. 18 years ago I was deported because my refugee claim was denied.
now for little a while i live in Canada, under radar.
can i apply second time for refugee status? i'm from Ukraine.
are they going to arrest and deport me as soon i will apply ?
or they will accept my refugee application and i have some legal status for 6-12 month?


what i have found and understand i will be deported immediately, they have only copy of my old passport ,how long it will take them to deport me?

on youtube video:
your claim maybe rejeted if you:
2; Have been refused refugee protection in Canada before. maybe???

thanks

1. As you were probably issued a removal order which became a deportation order after 30 days of being found not to be a refugee, so there is probably an arrest warrant outstanding.
2. You are probably not eligible to submit another claim.

Your refugee claim may not be eligible for referral to the IRB if:

You have been recognized as a Convention refugee by another country to which you can return;
You have already been granted protected person status in Canada;
You arrived via the Canada-United States border;
You are not admissible to Canada on security grounds, or because of criminal activity or human rights violations;
You made a previous refugee claim that was found to be ineligible for referral to the IRB;
You made a previous refugee claim that was rejected by the IRB; or
You abandoned or withdrew a previous refugee claim.

 

[nicemanhere]

arrest warrant outstanding? i was already removed from Canada, is no more warrant

 

[Dhudson]

arrest warrant outstanding? i was already removed from Canada, is no more warrant

If you apply for refugee status there is three option:
1. You claim will be accepted but after (1-3 moths) you application will be rejected because:
1.1. IRB will find what you did apply for refugee status before.
1.2 Your came from Ukraine - no reasonable reason (no war and etc) to give you refugee status.
2. You claim will be rejected because IRB found that you did apply for refugee before - you will have to leave Canada with in (usually 30 days) or warrant order.
3. You claim will be rejected and you will be detained for deportation. -- that may happening if you stay now in Canada with out legal status.

Regards,
Dhudson.

 

[scylla]

Yeah - unless there's something you're not telling us, you have no grounds for a refugee claim coming from Ukraine. Plenty of perfectly safe places to live there.

 

[nicemanhere]

i agree, there plenty of perfectly safe places to live , if you are not GAY.

 

[Dhudson]

i agree, there plenty of perfectly safe places to live , if you are not GAY.

The Ukrainian country has some serious LGBT "problem" , but based on some conditions and law restriction to be non visa (visa free) requirement for EU (European Union) the Ukrainian Government did show lots of "changes" to get EU... - there is NO any ground now to apply for UN's Convention of refugee : "membership in a particular social group, such as women or people of a particular sexual orientation.
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i would suggest you to find spouse and apply for outland application.

Regards,
DHudson.

 

[mikeymyke]

i would suggest you to find spouse and apply for outland application.

Regards,
DHudson.

If he does that, his application will face intense scrutiny due to it being likely a marriage of convenience. The best thing for him to do will be to apply as a skilled worker, though I don't know if him violating the deportation order would constitute a crime that would make him inadmissible

 

[Dhudson]

If he does that, his application will face intense scrutiny due to it being likely a marriage of convenience. The best thing for him to do will be to apply as a skilled worker, though I don't know if him violating the deportation order would constitute a crime that would make him inadmissible

Agree with you , skilled worker will work for him too expect he is illegal in Canada, my idea was : I did't say "find spouse to get status" I mean here in Canada lots more opportunity to find gay/lesbian spouse then in Ukraine and if he has no status here - he able/needs to apply out land application legal.

Regards,
DHudson.

 

[scylla]

Agree with you , skilled worker will work for him too expect he is illegal in Canada, my idea was

Agreed. Note that any work experience gained in Canada while here illegally cannot be counted as work experience when applying to immigrate to Canada.

Also agreed that a refugee claim based on LGBT rights in Ukraine will fail. This is a lost cause. Even more so given there's already one refugee refusal.

 

[SergiiK]

Yes, there are SOME places that are safe in Ukraine. Canada is now resettling Syrian refugees who already live in safe countries like Turkey for example. Sounds like double standards...

Man, you should find a good lawyer, they might help in your situation. Good luck!

 

[nicemanhere]

Thanks for all your advises

 

[Dhudson]

Yes, there are SOME places that are safe in Ukraine. Canada is now resettling Syrian refugees who already live in safe countries like Turkey for example. Sounds like double standards...

Man, you should find a good lawyer, they might help in your situation. Good luck!

Wan't to talking about political but YES unfortunately double standard for now, Syrian refugees - is just political point of Liberal Government, nothing real about refugees in this case.

But I still would say to Nicemanhere - false is no a way to where to go!

 

[jomz]

Thanks for all your advises

Have you looked at the option of coming to Canada on a working holiday? That may be an option to be able to come here, live and work legally. Check out the requirements for this program. I am no sure how past refugee claim may effect your eligibility, but this seems like it's worth a look.

Good luck.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/iec/eligibility.asp?country=ua&cat=wh

 

[jomz]

Yes, there are SOME places that are safe in Ukraine. Canada is now resettling Syrian refugees who already live in safe countries like Turkey for example. Sounds like double standards...

Man, you should find a good lawyer, they might help in your situation. Good luck!

The refugees coming to Canada don't "live" in safe countries, they are in refugee camps run by the UN. They have waited 2-3 or more years to be sponsored out of there. There is absolutely no comparison to someone living in a safe country where only their sexual orientation rights are not being recognized.

There are places in the U.S. That being gay can get you killed, you don't really see them flee as refugees to other countries do you? And I am sure if you looked at canada you would find that there are a number of hate crime attack on the gay community.