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By Percentage (%) What is the Approval Rate for Commonlaw Sponsorship? Inland

armoured

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That’s not really how statistics work, but I get your point. I was asking about trends, like from what you've seen here, do most people get approved or refused? I know it’s case by case, but surely there’s a general pattern
Yes my point was that this is not how statistics work.

If you want a guess - more than 90%, but that doesn't tell you much.

How do I get this guess? IRCC seems to base their processing time estimates based on when 80% of a single month's cohort gets completed (to PPR actually, I think). So those are a base for approvals.

I think most of those remaining get approved, we just don't know in what timeframe, and how much more than half 'most' might be.

I mostly agree that this is not very useful info but for what it's worth.
 

keyboat1

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That actually helps a lot—thanks! So more than 90% sounds like a safe bet, even if it’s not an official number. I just wanted to get a rough idea of what to expect.

But man, what I’m seeing on /r/canadaexpressentry is insane. The number of people who have spent 8+ years studying, working, paying taxes—only to be forced to leave because they don’t have enough points? It’s unreal. Some are literally moving to other countries just to get a year of 'foreign experience' for extra CRS points before trying to come back. Like… what? How does that even make sense?

And it really drives home how brutal Express Entry has become. If I had to go that route, I probably never would have made it. What would I have done? Learned perfect French? Left Canada, hoping I'd somehow get back? That would’ve been the end of everything for me. I don’t know if I could’ve lived with that reality.

Meanwhile, here I am, looking at a 90%+ approval rate under common-law sponsorship. And at the same time, thousands of people who did everything right—got a degree here, worked here, built a life here—are being told, ‘Sorry, you’re out.’ It’s just crazy. Absolute madness
Can't wait to get the PR and be out of this rat race sh** show.

Yes my point was that this is not how statistics work.

If you want a guess - more than 90%, but that doesn't tell you much.

How do I get this guess? IRCC seems to base their processing time estimates based on when 80% of a single month's cohort gets completed (to PPR actually, I think). So those are a base for approvals.

I think most of those remaining get approved, we just don't know in what timeframe, and how much more than half 'most' might be.

I mostly agree that this is not very useful info but for what it's worth.
 

YVR123

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That actually helps a lot—thanks! So more than 90% sounds like a safe bet, even if it’s not an official number. I just wanted to get a rough idea of what to expect.

But man, what I’m seeing on /r/canadaexpressentry is insane. The number of people who have spent 8+ years studying, working, paying taxes—only to be forced to leave because they don’t have enough points? It’s unreal. Some are literally moving to other countries just to get a year of 'foreign experience' for extra CRS points before trying to come back. Like… what? How does that even make sense?

And it really drives home how brutal Express Entry has become. If I had to go that route, I probably never would have made it. What would I have done? Learned perfect French? Left Canada, hoping I'd somehow get back? That would’ve been the end of everything for me. I don’t know if I could’ve lived with that reality.

Meanwhile, here I am, looking at a 90%+ approval rate under common-law sponsorship. And at the same time, thousands of people who did everything right—got a degree here, worked here, built a life here—are being told, ‘Sorry, you’re out.’ It’s just crazy. Absolute madness
Can't wait to get the PR and be out of this rat race sh** show.
I don't think the statistic will help for spousal sponsorship.
It depends on how many who applied were not eligible. (e.g. didn't declare their relationship when the sponsor and PA got married/became common law partners, fake marriages, didn't complete all traditional process for a traditional marriage, fake marriage to get PR...etc)

At desperation time when a lot of people are losing their ability to extend study/work permits and still want to stay in Canada, I can see that number will get higher.
 

canuck78

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That actually helps a lot—thanks! So more than 90% sounds like a safe bet, even if it’s not an official number. I just wanted to get a rough idea of what to expect.

But man, what I’m seeing on /r/canadaexpressentry is insane. The number of people who have spent 8+ years studying, working, paying taxes—only to be forced to leave because they don’t have enough points? It’s unreal. Some are literally moving to other countries just to get a year of 'foreign experience' for extra CRS points before trying to come back. Like… what? How does that even make sense?

And it really drives home how brutal Express Entry has become. If I had to go that route, I probably never would have made it. What would I have done? Learned perfect French? Left Canada, hoping I'd somehow get back? That would’ve been the end of everything for me. I don’t know if I could’ve lived with that reality.

Meanwhile, here I am, looking at a 90%+ approval rate under common-law sponsorship. And at the same time, thousands of people who did everything right—got a degree here, worked here, built a life here—are being told, ‘Sorry, you’re out.’ It’s just crazy. Absolute madness
Can't wait to get the PR and be out of this rat race sh** show.
It always comes down to proof of being common law for most applying for common law. Many never had good proof so should have never applied. PR was never guaranteed. It became way to easy to get PR with minimal skills and language ability. Still relatively easy which many have become temporary trade workers or PSWs. Lots of painters, roofers, etc. who have minimal training or skill who will try to leave the profession as soon as they can. Lots of PSWs who will never work as PSWs once they get PR essentially defeating the purpose of skill specific draws for some jobs with minimal time working in the profession.
 

armoured

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That actually helps a lot—thanks! So more than 90% sounds like a safe bet, even if it’s not an official number. I just wanted to get a rough idea of what to expect.
I think this is the wrong way to look at it, and fundamentally (part of) why others warned that any such statistics are questionable. My 90% + estimate is based on my estimate that (in fact, at present) most spousal applications are not fraudulent, that is, they are true matrimonial relationships. It's 'easy' only if you start with a real relationship.

Within the 'true relationships', the remaining refusals (and possibly incompletes) are probably mostly mistakes / insufficient common law / not meeting conjugal requirements, and a small number of 'citizen-sponsor abroad with insufficient intent to return.' Some prohibitions (eg criminality) of course. A lot of posts here due to 'undeclared spouse (esp common law)' from sponsor's own PR; I believe the numbers aren't that large but it comes up (distressingly) often because a surprise and very upsetting for them. The incompletes of significance are (it seems) mostly sponsorship withdrawn i.e. relationship breakdown. A fair number of misrepresentation (not declaring other refusals), some of which might have been found to be non-genuine relationships anyway. I've probably forgotten a few types.

It's not clear to me when/where IRCC includes 'refusals' in their percentages, and definitions. Hence: very rough estimates.

But the input we do not know (and probably don't hear much about) are the fraudulent apps. If that number changes much, IRCC's refusal numbers WILL grow, albeit possibly with a lag. (Personally I think the number of mistaken refusals for fraudulent relationships is quite low - but only a guess). My guess - again - is those fraudulent applicants don't post a lot here.

These figures for spousal sponsorship CANNOT be compared to those for express entry, etc. Express entry's most serious filter is the points. That filter is hard in the sense that it's difficult to meet it (esp now) - but submitting a fraudulent app based on fake points is not so easy (probably roughly comparable to fake relationships).

Meanwhile, here I am, looking at a 90%+ approval rate under common-law sponsorship.
You've already mis-used the statistic. It only works if including ALL spousal sponsorship apps. If common law is a bit harder (it is), the figure will be different. If it's more recent common law applications, another different figure. If it looks like the applicant may have incentives to apply as common law (because no chance otherwise): yet another figure. If they get the slightest hint of a non-genuine relationship: a VERY different figure.

It's like taking a proportion of schoolchildren and saying how many can run 200m in [some period of time.] If you're the one kid in a wheelchair, you cannot take that proportion as a useful predictor.

And you already made that basic statistics mistake.

You may not be in 'the wheelchair' in this analogy, but it's the same mistake - you are not the general population.

And no - no-one can predict or tell you what your chances are. You are not the general population.

If what you mean to say is that your chances are better than with express entry, then perhaps in your case that's true.

I don't think the statistic will help for spousal sponsorship.
It depends on how many who applied were not eligible. (e.g. didn't declare their relationship when the sponsor and PA got married/became common law partners, fake marriages, didn't complete all traditional process for a traditional marriage, fake marriage to get PR...etc)

At desperation time when a lot of people are losing their ability to extend study/work permits and still want to stay in Canada, I can see that number will get higher.
Precisely. Well put. And yes, I'd expect it to go higher. (As will the number of refugee and H&C apps as desperation measures.)
 

Ponga

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I get that no one here has official statistics, but I was asking based on the cases you've seen on this forum. Surely, there must be a general trend? I know approval depends on evidence, but I was curious about the general success rate based on what people share here
Your question is, IMHO, impossible to answer with anything other than speculation.

Factors that should lead to an approval:

1. Sponsor is determined to be eligible to sponsor.

2. Solid evidence of the relationship with the sponsor.

3. Solid evidence of not being inadmissible to Canada.

4. Solid evidence of cohabiting with the sponsor IN CANADA.
 

keyboat1

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I get that exact statistics aren’t available, but speculation based on observed cases is still useful. I was asking about general trends from what people have seen here—not a scientific study. If the vast majority of applicants who meet these criteria get approved, then that’s an answer in itself. But thanks for listing the obvious factors!

Your question is, IMHO, impossible to answer with anything other than speculation.

Factors that should lead to an approval:

1. Sponsor is determined to be eligible to sponsor.

2. Solid evidence of the relationship with the sponsor.

3. Solid evidence of not being inadmissible to Canada.

4. Solid evidence of cohabiting with the sponsor IN CANADA.
 

sgsmrp

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I'm still thinking about this and I really don't think that a percentage is representative of anyone's chances of approval or denial.

The percentages that we could more or less guess from what we've seen here don't really affect the applications themselves. It doesn't matter if the chances of having it approved are 99%, if someone's application is for whatever reason not enough to have their PR approved then there is 100% chance that they're going to have it refused.

If I've studied for my test I know that my chances to pass are high regardless of what percentage of other students have passed or not. I don't know, I feel like I'm not very good at explaining this and I feel like other users in the thread have explained it better than I can hahaha.

If it brings you some sort of comfort then that's all you need but I think you should keep in mind that it's really not representative at all of an individual's chances of having their application approved because the approvals and denials are not randomly chosen but granted based on everyone's individual cases.
 

Buletruck

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I get that exact statistics aren’t available, but speculation based on observed cases is still useful. I was asking about general trends from what people have seen here—not a scientific study. If the vast majority of applicants who meet these criteria get approved, then that’s an answer in itself. But thanks for listing the obvious factors!
I'm speculating 12% get approved......but then I am speculating.
 

armoured

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it's really not representative at all of an individual's chances of having their application approved because the approvals and denials are not randomly chosen but granted based on everyone's individual cases.
Very well put. It's not a random process. If we take any single application (one person's file at random) out of the pile of all applications [for some period], we might be able to describe that as % likelihood for that file not knowing any other info, but it's only the choice of that particular file out of the pile that's random.

So for any given application, it's mostly not random. It's more of an input-output matrix. Still some randomness about delays etc., but describing it as 'chances' isn't correct.

We can still say (guess) that 90% or more of apps get approved (my guess anyway, could be wrong), but that's not 'chance of approval.'