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zammo55

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Hi guys,

My current work permit is about to expire, August 19th and I have applied through CEC in June and I'm awaiting my AOR. I will apply for BOWP before this date, but will I legally be able to work whilst I await the BOWP to be approved, as I am on an IEC work permit at the moment. My partners employer argues that we can, however I've read conflicting arguments. Is there any official document that will prove one way or the other?

Also if I can't, will I be able to wait out for the BOWP to be approved, or will I have to change my status to visitor?

Thanks for your help.
 

TheAwesomeMatt

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http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2013/cic/Ci63-27-2013-eng.pdf

Section 5.22: R186(u) allows for persons to continue working under the conditions of an expired work permit, as long as they applied for a new work permit before the original work permit expired and remained in Canada. Once the decision has been made, the client will either have to leave Canada or will continue as a worker who holds a valaid work permit.

You won't legally be able to work whilst on implied status as there is a specific restriction whilst on an IEC work permit, that being that you cannot work beyond xx-xx-xxxx date. It cannot be extended beyond this date.

You can, however, stay in Canada whilst on implied status and awaiting your BOWP.
 

PMM

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Hi


zammo55 said:
Hi guys,

My current work permit is about to expire, August 19th and I have applied through CEC in June and I'm awaiting my AOR. I will apply for BOWP before this date, but will I legally be able to work whilst I await the BOWP to be approved, as I am on an IEC work permit at the moment. My partners employer argues that we can, however I've read conflicting arguments. Is there any official document that will prove one way or the other?

Also if I can't, will I be able to wait out for the BOWP to be approved, or will I have to change my status to visitor?

Thanks for your help.
1. No, you can't continue to work once an IEC expires, as it is not extendable From IEC site

"5. I am currently in Canada with a work permit issued under the IEC initiative. My employer would like me to continue working after the permit expires. Is this possible? What should I do?

You may not work in Canada without holding a valid work permit. A work permit issued under the IEC initiative cannot be renewed or extended. Sometimes it is possible to obtain a work permit under the Temporary Foreign Workers program.

If you wish to extend your stay in Canada under Citizenship and Immigration Canada’s Temporary Foreign Workers Program, you must apply for a work permit at least 30 days before the expiry date of your current work permit under IEC.

2. If you don't receive your AOR before 19/08, then you would no longer be able to apply for a BOWP as you don't have status. If you want to remain and don't have the BOWP and haven't applied for it, then you either need to apply to extend as a visitor or leave Canada.
 

LPS

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It's a persistent myth that because IECs cannot be extended, you aren't entitled to implied status as a worker by applying for a different class of work permit. There are of course compelling reasons to avoid implied status anyway (you can't leave the country, you're not entitled to provincial health coverage, etc).
 

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Hi Guys,

Just a clarification if you are on a PGWP... Is the concept the same if you are on a PGWP? In terms of being on an implied status and being able to continue working till a decision is made on the BOWP?

Appreciate your help!!

Thanks
 

zammo55

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Thanks for all replies

LPS - do you have any evidence/examples of this?
The way I thought it read, I may be wrong, implied status is an extension of your current WP, but IEC cannot be extended? It sucks because I can't find anything official regarding this.

PMM, TheAwesomeMatt, if I stay and don't work, and have applied for BOWP online, when can I work again? Is it ok to work once the WP is approved and I get an email, or would I have to wait to get the WP in the post and re-activate my SIN?
 

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^ Firstly - I'm obviously not an immigration professional.

But, I personally went from IEC to BOWP, worked through implied status, and I haven't been led away in handcuffs. My explanation letter for the BOWP even said "I understand that I may continue to work under implied status after the expiry of the old work permit", or words to that effect.

Forum users who say there can never be implied status as a worker following an IEC usually cite one particular email response from CIC that talks specifically about applications to extend work permits. It doesn't directly address the matter of going from an IEC to something else.

I've had great difficulty finding such an emphatic position on this issue from other online sources, particularly from those who do work in the immigration services field. I've searched high and low in CIC's online help, manuals, etc for any caveat concerning IECs. So sadly, I can't really 'disprove' this idea apart from to point to my own experience.
 

zammo55

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Thanks LPS.

I also have a few friends that worked on implied status when waiting for an LMO and their IEC had expired. They have recently had their PR come through and have said pretty much the same thing, which is the reason I'm not sure which way to go.

I guess i should see if I can find evidence of people being classed as inadmissible after working on implied status with IEC WP.
 

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Hi LPS..


You think you can help me out too? I just want to clarify if you are on a Post Grad Work Permit... IN terms of being on an implied status and being able to continue working till a decision is made on the BOWP?

Appreciate your help!!
:)

Thanks
 

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shuggzz said:
Hi LPS..


You think you can help me out too? I just want to clarify if you are on a Post Grad Work Permit... IN terms of being on an implied status and being able to continue working till a decision is made on the BOWP?

Appreciate your help!!
:)

Thanks
From what I have seen personally on my cousin's case, you can work on implied status but not take on a new job. The problem for a change in jobs is that, the employer is required to verify that your SIN is active. On implied status, whether your SIN is active is a gray area. In addition to what LPS said above, I have only read that one can keep the same conditions on implied status as you had before till a decision is made on your application. No where does CIC mention that you cannot work on implied status. My cousin who was working at a bank, discussed this with their HR and legal team and said it was a 'status quo' situation, hence keep on working and they asked him about his work permit every week till he got the BOWP.
 

PMM

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LPS said:
It's a persistent myth that because IECs cannot be extended, you aren't entitled to implied status as a worker by applying for a different class of work permit. There are of course compelling reasons to avoid implied status anyway (you can't leave the country, you're not entitled to provincial health coverage, etc).
I suggest you read the following

You can only be on implied status if the work permit you currently have comes under the relevant legislation.

1) Subsection 201(1) is the provision that allows you to extend a work permit.
2) Section 186(u) provides implied status to those work permit holders who have made an application under subsection 201(1).
3) IEC permits cannot be extended therefore 201(1) is not applicable.
4) An IEC permit holder cannot have implied status as provided by 186(u) because they cannot make a valid application under 201(1).



The Temporary Foreign Worker's handbook: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...w/fw01-eng.pdf

You are on IEC right now, which is a type of TFW, so this handbook applies to you.

2) Open it up to Section 5.22, "Implied Status". That says that if you have applied for a new work permit, you can keep working under the conditions of your old work permit - that is, the conditions of your IEC visa. So, let's look at the conditions of your IEC visa.

3) Open it up to Section 5.34, to the paragraph that begins with "Conditions of Work Permit", and highlight this line:

Quote:
IEC participants may not request to extend their stay under IEC unless the extension is within the original authorized period of stay as per their LOI.
It is explicitly a condition of IEC that you cannot ask for an extension. Implied Status is a type of extension - a temporary extension that is meant to bridge you between your old permit expiring, and your new one being issued.

So, for you to benefit from implied status, you need to have a work permit that can be extended. It says right there, IEC cannot be extended. Because you cannot extend IEC, you cannot benefit from implied status.

Let's say you had a normal TWP which was expiring, and your employer was going through the process of getting you another work permit. TWPs can be extended, so if you apply for a new work permit, you can extend your current TWP to cover you. You are bound by the same conditions as the original TWP for the time you are implied status, until your new WP is issued.

But, you are not on a normal TWP. You are on IEC, which is valid for one year, and one year only, with no extensions. Therefore, because there is nothing to extend, you can't benefit from implied status.

Also the following letter was received from CIC

The following is letter received from CIC regarding implied status. The highlighted portion will be of interest of those on IEC work permits, who continue to think that they can benefit from Implied status to continue working.

Sir, Madam,

Thank you for contacting Citizenship and Immigration Canada. I am pleased to follow up on your request:

Implied Status - Temporary Residents

As a temporary resident (TR), if you send your application for an extension of your authorization to remain in Canada at the latest on the expiry date of your status, you will be considered in status as a TR until a decision is made on the application. This is known as an Implied Status*.

If you hold a work permit or a study permit, you can continue working or studying under the conditions of your previous permit if you have applied to extend your stay in Canada under the same category. However, if you have applied to extend your stay under another category, you must stop working or studying.

If you leave Canada while under implied status, you may be authorized to:

Re-enter Canada as a TR, if the Case Processing Centre (CPC) has not yet made a decision on your application to extend your work permit. Please note that you will not be permitted to work/study until you receive your new permit. You must satisfy the officer at the port of entry (POE) that you have sufficient means of support. This applies if you:
are temporary resident visa (TRV) exempt;
held a valid multiple-entry visa before leaving Canada; or
travelled only to the United States** and/or St.Pierre and Miquelon by the end of the period initially authorized for their stay or any extension to it;
Re-enter Canada as a worker/student, if the officer at the POE determines that your application to extend your work/study permit was approved by the CPC while you were outside Canada;
or
Apply for a new work/study permit at the POE provided you have the right to do so under the Regulations.
For more information on implied status, please consult the Operational Manual - Overseas Processing (OP 11) - Section 24.

* Participants in international youth exchange programs (e.g., Student Work Abroad Program (SWAP), International Experience Canada (IEC) or Working Holiday Program (WHP)) do not benefit from implied status, unless extending a work permit not initially issued for the time limit authorized by the program.
 

shuggzz

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maniac2403 said:
From what I have seen personally on my cousin's case, you can work on implied status but not take on a new job. The problem for a change in jobs is that, the employer is required to verify that your SIN is active. On implied status, whether your SIN is active is a gray area. In addition to what LPS said above, I have only read that one can keep the same conditions on implied status as you had before till a decision is made on your application. No where does CIC mention that you cannot work on implied status. My cousin who was working at a bank, discussed this with their HR and legal team and said it was a 'status quo' situation, hence keep on working and they asked him about his work permit every week till he got the BOWP.
Thanks Maniac2403!! I appreciate your help!! Yes i plan on staying in this company.. I will inform my employer if they ask but if not like you said.. it could just be vague... THanks again!!!