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on-hold said:
Let's not derail this comment thread into a discussion of the bill's merits -- I like it as it is, a place that tracks the progress through committees. I've learned more about the Canadian government here than I have in my previous almost-3 years of everyday life. We can start a new thread to go over things like 'intent to reside' or what immigrants 'should' do.
intent to stay thread
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/intend-to-residestay-even-after-getting-citizenship-t185591.0.html

status of bill thread
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t184448.0.html

sign petition thread
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t184650.0.html

sign petition against double time thread
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t187685.0.html

withdraw bill thread
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t192860.0.html

frankly there are too many threads on this.
 

on-hold

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Most of those are discussions of the bill's merits, which is what you're trying to do here. Why have another? The other thread on the status of the bill is almost a week old, this seems to be the live one for that.
 

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chakrab said:
sashali78, i applaud your dedication towards your belief. it is quite commendable.

however, personally, i am kind of tiffed off by the attitude of many who wishes to halt the bill till they are eligible to apply and then don't care much what happens after that. many want the passport so they can travel to places and are done with the responsibility to prove residency for their PR verification. i find that quite offending as a reason to apply for the citizenship.
Thank you and I understand your point. Sadly, there will be always those who abuse the system (whatever it is) and those who just care their own little business. You can't make a foolproof law system, and certainly penalizing 100 people in order to catch one thief isn't a good solution either. If you want to fight the phenomenon it has to come through education (and sometimes re-education) and that's a long process.
 

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I just wanted to point out, that for those people who are following, the link to the House of Common's calendar that I posted earlier is being updated constantly, day-to-day. Right now the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration seems to be taken up with several meetings on the protection of women -- but Bill 24 could be added to their agenda at any point.

Here is a better link: the full calendar of the subcommittee.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/CommitteeBusiness/CommitteeMeetings.aspx?Cmte=CIMM&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=2

If you scroll down, you can see the rate that they seem to do business -- it looks like ever since late February, they've been dealing with Strengthening the Protection of Women in our Immigration System. I think that if you are applying for citizenship any time before mid-September, you can be extremely confident that you will pass that date; I doubt very much that C-24 is going to get through multiple complex stages before the summer recess. If you are planning on applying substantially past mid-September, then the amount of time it spends at this current committee stage will likely determine your chances.

Here is the House of Commons' summer schedule:

April 14th - April 25th: closed
May 19th to May 23rd: closed
June 9th to June 20th: Open, with extended hours -- this is probably where they try to push through as much as they can before the recess
June 23rd to September 12th: closed

I'm putting this up not for the obsessives among us, but so people who hope to apply later on can follow the bill's progress as accurately as they can, and start preparing their applications, if it looks like they will make the cut. I don't know anything about normal parliamentary procedure, so I can't say the possibilities that everything gets crammed through at the last minute. I'm sure that's possible, not every bill takes 6 months to become law. Here's the calendar I took this information from.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/CommitteeBusiness/CommitteeMeetings.aspx?Cmte=CIMM&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=2

There are things I don't understand, here. For example, the pink days are 'adjournment tabling' days, which Google tells me are days when the House of Commons is closed, when the government may deposit documents with the Clerk of the House. Could this affect passage of the bill? Don't know. I will point out that the Senate has a basically similar schedule, without any 'adjournment tabling' days during its summer break.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/ParlBusiness/senate/calendar/cal2014-e.htm
 

on-hold

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I should point out, that the Internet tells me that a majority government in Canada can pass a bill very fast, if they want to. All of the procedural mumbo-jumbo I put above probably doesn't apply if the CPC decides that they want C-24 passed before the summer recess.
 

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Thank you for the information. Interesting !
I agree, no chance for the Bill to pass before sept
 

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Goldline said:
Thank you for the information. Interesting !
I agree, no chance for the Bill to pass before sept
What are the chances for the people becoming eligible by mid of September ????
 

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informatics said:
What are the chances for the people becoming eligible by mid of September ????
They will be pretty fine.. If the new bill are to come in effect, that will be only by end of the 2014..
 

on-hold

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Well, none of us know much about Parliamentary procedures or the details of how the schedule works. Basically, I think if the government is determined to push it through fast, they can; and if they plan on doing that, it'll become clear when it arrives down at the Citizenship and Immigration committee. A fast hearing there, a fast party-line vote, get it back before the House for the third reading and refer it to the Senate for a perfunctory vote -- all of that is possible.

If I were planning on applying after September, I would wait and see what happens before the June recess. That is what is going to determine your ability to apply under the current rules.
 

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hi guys,

I was abit not informed and only know about this today.
it is devastating.
 

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no problem you can start helping by signing, you and your family, this petition and spread it all over Canada to the people you know
https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/withdraw-bill-c-24-honour-the-charter-or-rights-freedoms


absolute_zer0o said:
hi guys,

I was abit not informed and only know about this today.
it is devastating.
 

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C-24 — February 27, 2014 — Resuming consideration of the motion of Mr. Alexander (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), seconded by Mr. Duncan (Minister of State), — That Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration;
And of the amendment of Ms. Blanchette-Lamothe (Pierrefonds—Dollard), seconded by Mr. Scott (Toronto—Danforth), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:


“this House decline to give second reading to Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, because it:

(a) does not provide an adequate solution for reducing citizenship application processing times, which have been steadily increasing;

(b) puts significant new powers in the hands of the Minister that will allow this government to politicize the granting of Canadian citizenship;

(c) gives the Minister the power to revoke citizenship, which will deny some Canadians access to a fair trial in Canada and will raise serious questions since Canadian law already includes mechanisms to punish those who engage in unlawful acts; and

(d) includes a declaration of intent to reside provision, which in fact gives officials the power to speculate on the intent of a citizenship applicant and then potentially deny citizenship based on this conjecture.”.

Time allocation motion — notice given Thursday, March 27, 2014, pursuant to Standing Order 78(3).




78.(3)(a) A Minister of the Crown who from his or her place in the House, at a previous sitting, has stated that an agreement could not be reached under the provisions of sections (1) or (2) of this Standing Order in respect of proceedings at the stage at which a public bill was then under consideration either in the House or in any committee, and has given notice of his or her intention so to do, may propose a motion during proceedings under Government Orders, for the purpose of allotting a specified number of days or hours for the consideration and disposal of proceedings at that stage; provided that the time allotted for any stage is not to be less than one sitting day and provided that for the purposes of this paragraph an allocation may be proposed in one motion to cover the proceedings at both the report and the third reading stages on a bill if that motion is consistent with the provisions of Standing Order 76.1(10). The motion shall not be subject to debate or amendment, and the Speaker shall put the question on the said motion forthwith. Any proceedings interrupted pursuant to this section of this Standing Order shall be deemed adjourned.
 

sashali78

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dandash said:
I assume this is a good news right !?!
It's neutral. It is just a request to allocate certain and defined time for discussions prior to passing the second vote. Just a regular practice to make things in order and have some sort of timeline for Bill passage.