Bill C-6: Senate stage

[MarceauBletard]

It says there will be amendments...

Yes, I modified it

 

[smilermail]

It seems Scenario # 2 will be the coming decision on March 2nd:

2- With amendment: Consideration of Messages between the Senate and the House of Commons
a- Message Sent to the House of Commons
b- Consideration of Senate Amendments
c- Concurrence in Senate Amendments

I have seen some bills had amendments and this only took few days to be approved by the house of Commons then third reading followed by Royal Assent, which means the delay time will be from 1 day to 1 month. Below are some examples with some bills passed with amendment Smiley

c-2 (1 month delay): http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8062279
c-29 (2 days delay): http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8519336

Thanks

 

[tyl92]

It seems Scenario # 2 will be the coming decision on March 2nd:

2- With amendment: Consideration of Messages between the Senate and the House of Commons
a- Message Sent to the House of Commons
b- Consideration of Senate Amendments
c- Concurrence in Senate Amendments

I have seen some bills had amendments and this only took few days to be approved by the house of Commons then third reading followed by Royal Assent, which means the delay time will be from 1 day to 1 month. Below are some examples with some bills passed with amendment Smiley

c-2 (1 month delay): http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8062279
c-29 (2 days delay): http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8519336

Thanks

and plus c2 ended up being approved without amendment

In march and april , they work 2 weeks each :'(

 

[monalisa]

and plus c2 ended up being approved without amendment

In march and april , they work 2 weeks each :'(

it will be approved before july 2017, dont worry about it , its matter of time
Its better to be amended and all parties agree on the amendments so there will be no delay during 3rd reading.

 

[monalisa]

It took CIC one year after C-24 royal assent to implement the changes. It could still take CIC a year to implement C-6 changes.

Actually it doesnt matter if it takes 1 year or 10 years at least c6 is very good for everyone 8)

 

[screech339]

Actually it doesnt matter if it takes 1 year or 10 years at least c6 is very good for everyone 8)

After 10 years, current citizenship laws, whether its C-24 or C-6, would be outdated in needing of an update to reflect new future realities.

 

[itsmyid]

Actually it doesnt matter if it takes 1 year or 10 years at least c6 is very good for everyone 8)

I am fairly indifferent at this point, but it does seem to matter a lot to that member who is going to business school in the US late this year, and the one who needs to go back to home country to take care of sick family members, to just name a few

 

[MarceauBletard]

New tweet from Senator Jaffer:
Sen. Mobina Jaffer Verified account‏ @SenJaffer 8 minutes ago
"@MarceauBletard write to your Senators to pass #C6. Do not need to write to me . I support #C6 #senCA"

We need a list of every non-liberal in the committee along with their twitter account!

 

[cazrypr]

All the members on the committee and their party affiliation and also their contact details like email addresses etc.


https://sencanada.ca/en/committees/soci/42-1

 

[MarceauBletard]

All the members on the committee and their party affiliation and also their contact details like email addresses etc.
https://sencanada.ca/en/committees/soci/42-1

Here are those we need to convince:
Non-affiliated Senator Chantal Petitclerc: @CPetitclerc https://twitter.com/cpetitclerc
Non-affiliated Senator Don Meredith: @SenatorDonM https://twitter.com/SenatorDonM
Non-affiliated Senator Nancy J. Hartling: www.facebook.com/nancy.j.hartling.5
Non-affiliated Senator René Cormier: Rene.Cormier@sen.parl.gc.ca
Non-affiliated Senator Marie-Françoise Mégie: marie-francoise.megie@sen.parl.gc.ca

 

[cooldoc80]

Here are those we need to convince:
Non-affiliated Senator Chantal Petitclerc: @CPetitclerc https://twitter.com/cpetitclerc
Non-affiliated Senator Don Meredith: @SenatorDonM https://twitter.com/SenatorDonM
Non-affiliated Senator Nancy J. Hartling: www.facebook.com/nancy.j.hartling.5
Non-affiliated Senator René Cormier: Rene.Cormier@sen.parl.gc.ca
Non-affiliated Senator Marie-Françoise Mégie: marie-francoise.megie@sen.parl.gc.ca

Thanks for the info

will email them all , hope the rest would do so also

 

[marcher]

Here are those we need to convince:
Non-affiliated Senator Chantal Petitclerc: @CPetitclerc https://twitter.com/cpetitclerc
Non-affiliated Senator Don Meredith: @SenatorDonM https://twitter.com/SenatorDonM
Non-affiliated Senator Nancy J. Hartling: www.facebook.com/nancy.j.hartling.5
Non-affiliated Senator René Cormier: Rene.Cormier@sen.parl.gc.ca
Non-affiliated Senator Marie-Françoise Mégie: marie-francoise.megie@sen.parl.gc.ca

Marceau be careful what you are doing there. These Senators do not need convincing, they already know where they stand, and excessive messages might have negative impact on their decisions. Keep in mind these are elite members of society that have deep beliefs and ideologies that got them where the are. They will not form an opinion based on tweets and messages sent from the public, at the end of the day, Senators are not elected, so they have zero obligations towards the public. Their role is to ensure those elected (MPs) are doing their job correctly. For example, Don Meredith is a former Conservative, who left the caucus so Harper could appoint him as an Independent on the Senate, a trojan horse! The guy is also heavily investigated for high staff turnover in his office; on-going bullying allegations. What in the world do you think you can tell him that would change his mind, I guarantee you he will vote against C-6 no matter what.

 

[MarceauBletard]

Marceau be careful what you are doing there. These Senators do not need convincing, they already know where they are standing, but excessive messages to them might make them react negatively. Keep in mind these are elite members of society that have deep beliefs and ideologies that got them where the are. They will not form an opinion based on tweets and messages sent from the public, at the end of the day, Senators are not elected, so they have zero obligations towards the public. Their role is to ensure those elected (MPs) are doing the right job. For example, Don Meredith is a former Conservative, who left the caucus so Harper could appoint him as an Independent on the Senate, a trojan horse! The guy is also heavily investigated for high staff turnover in his office; on-going bullying allegations. What in the world do you think you can tell him that would change his mind, I guarantee you he will vote against C-6 no matter what.

Marcher, I was just doing what Senator Jaffer advised me to do. She works there so she probably knows better than us...
In a way, I agree with you, I don't think we'll manage to change anybody's mind... But now, "make them react negatively"? I think you're pushing it.
1) They are Senators and I'm sure they receive tons of e-mails about different subjects everyday already, so they're used to it. Also, I always write my e-mail with a positive message like "Let's hope we can apply on Canada Day, that'd be awesome!". It's indeed important not to be angry or insult them and show that we are good people.
2) If you're scared of making someone react negatively then you'll never do or say anything. Not just talking about C-6 here.
3) Let's not forget this: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/12/26/ils-veulent-moderniser-linstitution-bapteme-de-feu-pour-les-nouveaux-senateurs Meaning the Non-Affiliated senators appointed by JT made a point in the press that they might not necessarily vote for JT's bills.

 

[marcher]

Marcher, I was just doing what Senator Jaffer advised me to do. She works there so she probably knows better than us...
In a way, I agree with you, I don't think we'll manage to change anybody's mind... But now, "make them react negatively"? I think you're pushing it.
1) They are Senators and I'm sure they receive tons of e-mails about different subjects everyday already, so they're used to it.
2) If you're scared of making someone react negatively then you'll never do or say anything. Not just talking about C-6 here.

I totally agree, my point was that if any of them is still hesitant, then excessive messages about the same topic might push them towards voting no. This is an extreme situation which I do not think will happen in this case, since all the Senators involved now are already clear about bill C-6, and know which way they will vote. I understand you like many are getting impatient because it has been dragging so long, and this is where I think you have to be careful. Remember the long time frame is not because Senators are lazy like many are stating here, but because of the politics surrounding this bill. This is literally a bill saying 'screw you Cons we will cancel your c24'. So Cons are using every tool in the book to either stop it, if not, then delay it as much as possible since that means c24 remains in place until then, or eventually amend it so it does not completely scrap off c24. We also have to keep in mind they have tons of other bills, which are way higher in the agenda's of all parties and more important, the Canadian people. You are free to contact Senators of course, but I personally think all we can do is sit and watch. My concern which many seem to be overlooking, is that C6 even if amended, will be a patch on the main problem. If Cons win the next elections, they will bring back C24 and rush it as fast as they could, if they have enough votes in the house of course.

We had a chance to contact MPs back when it was in the House of Commons, at that stage we as constituents had more of an impact. At this stage, just open a cold one and watch, kind of like going fishing

 

[itsmyid]

Marcher, I was just doing what Senator Jaffer advised me to do. She works there so she probably knows better than us...
In a way, I agree with you, I don't think we'll manage to change anybody's mind... But now, "make them react negatively"? I think you're pushing it.
1) They are Senators and I'm sure they receive tons of e-mails about different subjects everyday already, so they're used to it. Also, I always write my e-mail with a positive message like "Let's hope we can apply on Canada Day, that'd be awesome!". It's indeed important not to be angry or insult them and show that we are good people.
2) If you're scared of making someone react negatively then you'll never do or say anything. Not just talking about C-6 here.
3) Let's not forget this: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/12/26/ils-veulent-moderniser-linstitution-bapteme-de-feu-pour-les-nouveaux-senateurs Meaning the Non-Affiliated senators appointed by JT made a point in the press that they might not necessarily vote for JT's bills.

I don't think they read those emails, it is most likely read by their assistants/interns