Bill C-6: Senate stage

[Confused in Montreal]

But not "visitors"? Their status is no different from temporary workers / students.

So by your logic, only those who paid taxes are entitled to citizenship. I don't see anywhere in the citizenship laws that paying taxes is a requirement for citizenship. Your sense of entitlement is showing.

Boy oh boy, visitors are entitled to nothing, they are granted a six month visa but the duration of stay is decided by the CBSA agent at the port of entry. Visitors cannot engage in work, students/workers can, visitors can't have health cards, workers can (students is paid for if you work minimum hours as TA), so they are different. Plus, atleast for universities, application process chooses best of the best of the best, so Canada wants to retain them, but in low skill courses, they are not too sure, but want students and its multi-billion dollar industry. So they have the generalized statement saying all students must leave after studies, but....... Ahem, aachooo... FSW3. God the cold. Well PhD stream as stated falls under FSW, not sponsorship and even PNP does too. Rest falling in not in demand skills go for CEC, but if they get an employment letter, they are expidited too. Some members rightly pointed out that CIC and provincial immi agents go to univs to orient students to stay back, not colleges I am sure. I even got a letter in my mail box stating to stay back and apply for PNP within three days of my defending, not even convocated yet. I was freaked out as to how did they know my defense date and outcome, they do track high skilled people. I never paid an international fee so wanted to give back to the Canadian taxpayers. Thence, every story is different. I do not like preaching and thumping my chest, but just wrote it to ensure that some people who are bitter, have the facts straight and think logically. Not everyone is a fraud, some do have a code of honour.

Relax, take a deep breath, open another thread, and write to con MPs and senators. Why waste time here?

Just my two cents worth of humble advise.

 

[Whocares]

Oh how remarkable it is how much some immigrants hate on/judge other immigrants in an immigration forum.

That's like the definition of irony.

"I am a good immigrant, but those bad ones BETTER GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY, yo! They were never to stay here in the first place. I should be entitled to X but they should never be."

Lol

I was trying to reply someone who said he only cares about pre pr and 3/5 means nothing and it was not a government promise. He is breaking the law and still have the gut to say so. He was selfish. I stated multiple times the reason.

 

[spyfy]

But not "visitors"? Their status is no different from temporary workers / students.

So by your logic, only those who paid taxes are entitled to citizenship. I don't see anywhere in the citizenship laws that paying taxes is a requirement for citizenship. Your sense of entitlement is showing.

It is absolutely incorrect that visitor status is no different from temporary worker/student status. I'm not even going to bother to list sources here. Anyone who spends five minutes reading immigration laws and/or the more intricate CIC website can see that.

 

[tyl92]

Oh how remarkable it is how much some immigrants hate on/judge other immigrants in an immigration forum.

That's like the definition of irony.

"I am a good immigrant, but those bad ones BETTER GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY, yo! They were never to stay here in the first place. I should be entitled to X but they should never be."

Lol

i can't believe it as well. Then the thread gets hijacked for a dozen pages.
Guys , if you want to debate technicalities , or what is fair or not , who should deserve to stay here or not .. it is not the right thread at all . This is the citizenship section where people debate on citizenship and here it is a BILL C6 related thread .
Some hard working people are at work , left yesterday the discussion at a certain number of pages , come back the following day and noticed 50 extra pages ,it will lead them to ask the same repeated questions and get the same repeated answers .
Stick to the POINT only .
All that energy and frustration should be pointed to those who have playing and acting like babies , senators ! Yet we manage to divide each other , exactly what they want .
Some of you should get involved in politics indeed .

 

[vasyok]

Nope. She didn't lie when she applied for TRV. She was granted TRV when she was single and we didn't get married when she came to Canada. She came temporarily to visit Canada and left. We got married a year later AFTER she LEFT Canada. There was no intention to stay as PR or citizenship when she applied for visitor visa. So nice try spinning the table on me. Better luck next time.

You used inland process, meaning your spouse had to reside in Canada at least at the time the application was submitted. As you said, you married outside of Canada, which means that she entered Canada as your spouse and as a visitor with an intention to be sponsored for PR. Did she disclose such an intention to CBSA officer? If not, should we deport her for lying? (just kidding - i'm just trying to show you on the example that must be familiar to you how dual intent works)

 

[fwhitaker]

AGAIN. I wish you all get what you want and your family. Someone who is/was a student was saying that he does not support 3/5 and supports the pre pr. Pre pr is purely against the law and should be considered as an immigration fraud. If you are really professional, then apply as a skilled worker. It is very funny someone came to study and get back home to overstay and even wants to claim pre pr years...

I don't know who said 3/5 should not be supported as C6 is to repeal changes mad by C24. I, personally would love pre PR and 3/5 to come back. But if only one had to come back, pre PR is way more important than 3/5 and it was even part of the campaign.

Students are temporary residents and should leave the country. If he/she wants to overstay that is against the law. This is common sense and written when you applied for a student visa.

That's not true. There is a option for them to get work visas after they finish their studies. And after that there is the Canadian Experience Class which today is part of the Express Entry.

While my point stands, unless you have proof that applicants actually stated their intentions of staying in Canada for PR / Citizenship in their study, visitor, work visa applications and actually gotten their visas, my point stands. Omission of intention to stay as PR/citizenship in any visa applications is still "lying by omission".

I've entered Canada as a student. Got my visa in my home country stating that I would study, get the work visa afterwards and then apply for Canadian Experience Class. The Canadian consulate in my country and the officer from the point of entry said that I was following the right path and wished more people wanted to do the same as they are in need. That's why Canada has its intake of immigrants. There is the need.

Midway through my time studying here, I was granted PR status for my application as a Skilled Worker.

My reasoning was always be honest and you will reach your goals.

 

[spyfy]

I was trying to reply someone who said he only cares about pre pr and 3/5 means nothing and it was not a government promise. He is breaking the law and still have the gut to say so. He was selfish. I stated multiple times the reason.

You said this:
"Students have signed when they got the visa that they are in Canada to study and should return back home."

Guess what, CIC has specific programs to keep students who are here on study permits, to allow them to get PR status. Each Canadian University has a whole set of advisors helping students with this process. It is completely legal to do so.

It is NOT ILLEGAL to seek PR status while you are in Canada on a temporary resident status. You, however, are trying to say these people are not entitled to that.

When you apply for a study permit you never, never, never sign that you intend to go back home after. You only sign that you won't overstay your visa. You are of course entitled to seek a different status before your visa expires.

 

[fwhitaker]

just out of curiosity, my pre PR credit won't make much difference for me. It will only reduce in 3 months my waiting time...

 

[screech339]

It is absolutely incorrect that visitor status is no different from temporary worker/student status. I'm not even going to bother to list sources here. Anyone who spends five minutes reading immigration laws and/or the more intricate CIC website can see that.

But you seems to miss the obvious common denominator, They are all TEMPORARILY residing in Canada.

 

[spyfy]

But you seems to miss the obvious common denominator, They are all TEMPORARILY residing in Canada.

Yes and plants and animals also have a common denominator: They are both alive. That doesn't mean that they have the same status. You said that the statuses are "no different" and that is incorrect.

 

[spyfy]

Guys, seriously, go on the CIC page.

How on earth can any sane person that spent at least 30 minutes on researching Canadian immigration claim that it is illegal/not intended/against the law for a temporary resident to seek permanent residence.

It has been said again and again, there are whole immigration programs like the PGWP and the CEC that have no other intention than to facilitate that process.

 

[Redfield]

Guys, seriously, go on the CIC page.

How on earth can any sane person that spent at least 30 minutes on researching Canadian immigration claim that it is illegal/not intended/against the law for a temporary resident to seek permanent residence.

It has been said again and again, there are whole immigration programs like the PGWP and the CEC that have no other intention than to facilitate that process.

That's what happens when someone will go to any extent to justify a claim that has no basis, repeat until people are fed up with it

 

[Joshua1]

Let's assume you are right (you are not, but just for fun let's do this). Then it means that CIC wrongfully granted PRs to literally thousands of students under CEC program. They also wrongfully granted thousands of post-grad work permits... Don't you think that CIC would have noticed that they are doing something illegal (i.e., granting PRs/work permits to people who cannot be in Canada)?

Some people cannot be reasoned with. When you land in Quebec as a student, after you pass the border agent, you are sent to another office to receive the actual study permit with a slab of documents and verbally advised how to extend your stay and apply for PR. But according to some, these students did something illegal, even though the people who make the laws and implement the rules authorized them.

 

[burnin]

Obviously if you are a temporary resident like a worker or a student, the CEC is designed to get you in as a PR. The reason they say you will leave after you stay is IF you don't have any other status or if you don't intend to pay fees or other associated costs with applying for PR legally.

 

[spyfy]

Obviously if you are a temporary resident like a worker or a student, the CEC is designed to get you in as a PR. The reason they say you will leave after you stay is IF you don't have any other status or if you don't intend to pay fees or other associated costs with applying for PR legally.

Exactly. Overstaying your visa is illegal. To look for a different status while your visa is still valid is completely legal.