Bill C-6: Senate stage

[RAZAAS]

The objective of C6 was to repeal C24. The spirit of C6 is being mutilated through never ending amendments.

 

[fwhitaker]

Amendments for residency requirements is regarding 4/6 3/5 or the pre-pr ?
hope it will be for pre-pr only

Guys who were international students or temporary workers/residence be patient its better to wait 1 year more rather than waiting 1 year more + 4/6 rule

4/6 rule is very hard , i know many here are about to complete 4/6 they can understand me

@monalisa, if the rule continues to be 4/6 and pre PR is counted, the international student that stayed 2 years or more before becoming PR will only have to stay 3 years as a PR to apply. If the pre pr is gone, they will have to stay an extra 4 years in addition to all the years they already spent before being PR. Moreover, adding back the pre PR was part of their campaign.

3/5 was not a campaign thing. so it will be easier for the cons to try and keep the 4/6 than removing pre PR credit.

Also, asking to cancel pre PR and reduce from 4/6 to 3/5 is thinking on the PRs that came directly as PR, not being a student or on a work visa. I would think that this is not fair, as the students and work visas prior to become PR had already contributed to this country. They should be acknowledge and the pre PR does exactly that. It would be fair to the PR to wait 4/6 years to become PR, while whoever came to Canada prior to become PR might have stayed for way longer, contributing to the country.

If you desire to be a Canadian, as a PR it wouldn't hurt you to stay one more year, correct? just like you said above...

 

[deerestlovelybear]

Today I officially become Canadian citizen, it is more worthwhile waiting 4 years and have a 6 months processing time than waiting 3 years to apply and have a 2-3 years processing time as before. I wish everyone will become Canadian citizens soon! Be patience, good thing worth waiting! Bill C-24 is actually good and make sense, C6 is just political purely and does not make sense to give terorists or people applying on the way to airport aka Canadian of convenience citizenship! In some other countries people need to wait 10 years and even so there are many other strict requirements such as endorsement from local community, Canada is already the easiest place on earth to be citizens, so guys just be a little bit patient!

 

[Whocares]

If I were a senator I would give the students zero residency day. You came to study not to be Canadian.

 

[monalisa]

@monalisa, if the rule continues to be 4/6 and pre PR is counted, the international student that stayed 2 years or more before becoming PR will only have to stay 3 years as a PR to apply. If the pre pr is gone, they will have to stay an extra 4 years in addition to all the years they already spent before being PR. Moreover, adding back the pre PR was part of their campaign.

3/5 was not a campaign thing. so it will be easier for the cons to try and keep the 4/6 than removing pre PR credit.

If you desire to be a Canadian, as a PR it wouldn't hurt you to stay one more year, correct? just like you said above...

You didnt get my point, seems that the pre-pr counted is going to be removed from c6
so in this case you cant count days before you became pr as half day, you will start counting from the day you became pr.

if rule 4/6 is back , then you have to complete 4 years.
if under rule 3/5, then you have to complete 3 years.

Did you get my point now?

 

[quasar81]

WHERE can I find which Independent Senator voted which way in last few amendments.



Time has come to email/phone Independent Senators NOW/TODAY, and remind that they were appointed by PM Trudeau - who had promised to repeal C-24 in elections and WON those elections on that agenda.

It Trudeau wouldn't have won, these senators would not be there in first place.

Anybody?

 

[Whocares]

Today I officially become Canadian citizen, it is more worthwhile waiting 4 years and have a 6 months processing time than waiting 3 years to apply and have a 2-3 years processing time as before. I wish everyone will become Canadian citizens soon! Be patience, good thing worth waiting! Bill C-24 is actually good and make sense, C6 is just political purely and does not make sense to give terorists or people applying on the way to airport aka Canadian of convenience citizenship! In some other countries people need to wait 10 years and even so there are many other strict requirements such as endorsement from local community, Canada is already the easiest place on earth to be citizens, so guys just be a little bit patient!

It was not 2-3 years processing time and Canada is not the easiest. Congratulations.

 

[fwhitaker]

Today I officially become Canadian citizen, it is more worthwhile waiting 4 years and have a 6 months processing time than waiting 3 years to apply and have a 2-3 years processing time as before. I wish everyone will become Canadian citizens soon! Be patience, good thing worth waiting! Bill C-24 is actually good and make sense, C6 is just political purely and does not make sense to give terorists or people applying on the way to airport aka Canadian of convenience citizenship! In some other countries people need to wait 10 years and even so there are many other strict requirements such as endorsement from local community, Canada is already the easiest place on earth to be citizens, so guys just be a little bit patient!

only good thing C24 brought was the short delay in getting the citizenship.

removing pre PR, forcing an intend to reside and creating second class citizenship is not good. Those are the only parts I agree with C6.

Anything C6 changes for the best, I'll be ok.

You didnt get my point, seems that the pre-pr counted is going to be removed from c6
so in this case you cant count days before you became pr as half day, you will start counting from the day you became pr.

if rule 4/6 is back , then you have to complete 4 years.
if under rule 3/5, then you have to complete 3 years.

Did you get my point now?

I get your point, but what makes you so sure that this is what they intend to change? I still think it will be easier for the cons to try and keep 4/6 while giving pre PR. If they do the way you are saying, I believe HOC won't accept.

 

[Whocares]

only good thing C24 brought was the short delay in getting the citizenship.

removing pre PR, forcing an intend to reside and creating second class citizenship is not good. Those are the only parts I agree with C6.

Anything C6 changes for the best, I'll be ok.

It is so dumb and makes no sense to count pre pr. unfair for all other immigrants who are waiting. For example, Some1 came as a student for 4 years to get a phd, why counting 2 years towards his res. ? He got his degree because that was his intention. However, I slightly agree with temp workers to get pre pr.

 

[deerestlovelybear]

It is so dumb and makes no sense to count pre pr. unfair for all other immigrants who are waiting. For example, Some1 came as a student for 4 years to get a phd, why counting 2 years towards his res. ? He got his degree because that was his intention. However, I slightly agree with temp workers to get pre pr.

Yes, before PR, your intention MUST be temporary, otherwise you will be kicked out of the country so why can that be counted toward citizenship? You can only count the days after becoming PR which is when you have intention for long term stay and perfectly legal. Students came to Canada with intention to study the knowledge, get the certs and go home, that is what they tried to prove in the visa application, the time they spend to study should not be counted toward citizenship, in fact they are already lucky to become PR, why are people so crazy of waiting a bit more time in Canada, are they trying to be Canadian of convenience and leave Canada as soon as they obtain the passport?

 

[screech339]

It is so dumb and makes no sense to count pre pr. unfair for all other immigrants who are waiting. For example, Some1 came as a student for 4 years to get a phd, why counting 2 years towards his res. ? He got his degree because that was his intention. However, I slightly agree with temp workers to get pre pr.

Unless the intention was to get citizenship, not studying for education. In other words, the applicant falsified his/her intentions to leave Canada after obtaining his education. That was the point of getting a study visa is it not? The applicant agreed to leave Canada with no intention to immigrate to Canada by accepting the study visa. After all he/she was suppose to convince the VO officer that he/she will leave Canada after the visa expired.

 

[jackhcd]

If I were a senator I would give the students zero residency day. You came to study not to be Canadian.

By your logic zero pre-PR residency credit should be applied to temporary workers either. You came here to work not to be a Canadian.

 

[richard1234]

It is so dumb and makes no sense to count pre pr. unfair for all other immigrants who are waiting. For example, Some1 came as a student for 4 years to get a phd, why counting 2 years towards his res. ? He got his degree because that was his intention. However, I slightly agree with temp workers to get pre pr.

Well, pre-PR credit is granted for his/her contribution to the economy. Students pay tuition, they work, they pay taxes, they are active in the community. I agree, to get visa, all temporary residents have to convince that they return back after certain amount of time.

Some PR applicant outside of country wait long time, but they contribute ZERO to Canadian economy before coming to Canada.

Moreover, foreign students and temporary workers barely need any government supports after becoming PR. They are already familiar with Canadian society.

On top of that, Canadian Government wants foreign students and temporary workers stay in Canada as government invested nothing to make them skilled person.

That's why foreign students and temporary workers should get credit towards their residency.

 

[Inlandoct2014]

Is it gonna be today? The meeting!

 

[fwhitaker]

Well, pre-PR credit is granted for his/her contribution to the economy. Students pay tuition, they work, they pay taxes, they are active in the community. I agree, to get visa, all temporary residents have to convince that they return back after certain amount of time.

Some PR applicant outside of country wait long time, but they contribute ZERO to Canadian economy before coming to Canada.

Moreover, foreign students and temporary workers barely need any government supports after becoming PR. They are already familiar with Canadian society.

On top of that, Canadian Government wants foreign students and temporary workers stay in Canada as government invested nothing to make them skilled person.

That's why foreign students and temporary workers should get credit towards their residency.

that's exactly why pre PR should be allowed.

Not all students remain in Canada. Those that do, are contributing to the country and should be acknowledge. Just as those who came with work visa.