Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[farrous13]

mmmm, I believe it's fair for the 4 years to apply on everyone who never spent time in Canada before getting the PR. 4 years is not a lot of years. They fly, by the time the applicants adjust to the life and understand more about the Canadian culture. I mean I have been here close to 10 years and I am still learning it never stops.

you deserve more than a discount, they have to consider at least one year. also, this bill should not be applied on the people who are already here. it is not fair.

 

[sazamizi]

Totally agree.
Thanks,

Yes, the way things are moving we can expect sometime end of this year. However, given the nature of bill's complications and if the NDP and Liberal MPs continues to raise their concerns in debate session bill may go back to square for re-drafting by minister. So, bottom line is, as of now we can take it as the bill will pass and will come to law end of 2014..

 

[chelavnzuo]

Can someone explain what the process looks like to pass a bill like this one?
My understanding is the conservative party is in favor of this bill while the other major parties are against it, but the conservative party holds more than 50% of the seats in the parliament, will this fact alone give a huge advantage to the conservative party in the future voting?

 

[chelavnzuo]

Also is there an official explanation (web link) on why the federal govnt wants to remove the pre-PR time count? When I read the bill C-24 I totally understand the other changes except this one, which looks like a downright discrimination out of nowhere.

 

[meyakanor]

Also is there an official explanation (web link) on why the federal govnt wants to remove the pre-PR time count? When I read the bill C-24 I totally understand the other changes except this one, which looks like a downright discrimination out of nowhere.

Alexander briefly mentioned that they wanted permanent residents to demonstrate commitment to Canada more significantly as permanent residents for citizenship purposes. Also, he mentioned that most PRs never spent time in Canada as non-PRs (if my interpretation of what he said was correct), so by not counting pre-PR days for citizenship purposes, all PRs are treated equally, basically levelling the playing field, by invoking the principle of equality.

As well, citizenship applicants would no longer be able to use the time they spent in Canada as non-permanent residents to meet the citizenship residence requirements. Again, this would reinforce the value of citizenship by requiring applicants to demonstrate a commitment to Canada through permanent residence. We do this for most permanent residents, so why should we not do it for all in a country where equality is such a highly prized principle, and a defensible principle in this case? Any move to part ways with that principle would risk confusing a situation that in the past has been confused and has led to abuse on a significant scale.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=Hansard&Doc=53&Parl=41&Ses=2&Language=E&Mode=1

I think his argument basically boils down to this: we should treat all PRs equally. Why should we give some groups of PRs preferential treatment, just because they have stayed in Canada before becoming PRs for some number of years?

 

[chelavnzuo]

Alexander briefly mentioned that they wanted permanent residents to demonstrate commitment to Canada more significantly as permanent residents for citizenship purposes. Also, he mentioned that most PRs never spent time in Canada as non-PRs (if my interpretation of what he said was correct), so by not counting pre-PR days for citizenship purposes, all PRs are treated equally, basically levelling the playing field, by invoking the principle of equality.

I think his argument basically boils down to this: we should treat all PRs equally. Why should we give some groups of PRs preferential treatment, just because they have stayed in Canada before becoming PRs for some number of years?

Thanks for the reply, but it's funny how Alexander brought up the principle of equality, because one obvious counterexample would be the elderly PRs who were sponsored by their kids will not receive the same health care as other PRs for the first 10 or 20 years.

 

[u4g5]

interesting to see how soon it will become law. I am 80 days of short from applying，hopefully i can make it to the finish line.

 

[u4g5]

Quote from the minister:

"I would like to add, before we get too far into this, that the rules would only apply after this law comes into force and after the necessary orders in council have been gazetted, changing the regulations in this respect. So anyone who is making an application to become a Canadian citizen now or for the foreseeable future as this bill moves through this House and the other place, will be treated under the current rules. I want to be absolutely explicit on that point. "

 

[fairooz]

That's good news, at least for the time being. Would you mind sharing where you got the minister's quote from please? Thanks!

 

[sinpguy]

Yes I am excited to know where did u get this...

 

[u4g5]

Help yourself, roll it down to the discussion part for the bill

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=Hansard&Doc=53&Parl=41&Ses=2&Language=E&Mode=1#int-8250182

 

[sinpguy]

what is right after this " As well, citizenship applicants would no longer be able to use the time they spent in Canada as non-permanent residents to meet the citizenship residence requirements. Again, this would reinforce the value of citizenship by requiring applicants to demonstrate a commitment to Canada through permanent residence. "...


right away or after bill??

 

[fairooz]

Thanks a bunch u4g5!

 

[yafayu]

I'm confused on this too...can someone explain?

what is right after this " As well, citizenship applicants would no longer be able to use the time they spent in Canada as non-permanent residents to meet the citizenship residence requirements. Again, this would reinforce the value of citizenship by requiring applicants to demonstrate a commitment to Canada through permanent residence. "...


right away or after bill??

 

[u4g5]

what is right after this " As well, citizenship applicants would no longer be able to use the time they spent in Canada as non-permanent residents to meet the citizenship residence requirements. Again, this would reinforce the value of citizenship by requiring applicants to demonstrate a commitment to Canada through permanent residence. "...


right away or after bill??

AFTER THE BILL PASSED AND BECOME LAW, WHICH WILL BE MAYBE AFTER SEP 2014