Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:
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At the first glance of the bill most people tend to think that the longer residency requirement is the most controversial change, but that is almost nothing comparing to the “intention to stay”, which can literally strip our citizenship the moment we take a long vacation abroad or start a temporary foreign work contract.Tolerance said:
The Cons really earned their name.
I know, but I kind of blew my steam on that a few days ago (go back a few pages).chelavnzuo said:
Right now, I am trying to make my peace with the crazy law, and just trying to cut my losses
. With intent to reside, I can hope it won't get me in trouble, but first I need the residency requirement to stay the same for a few more months .I would be able to apply end of November. Some other folks here on the forum have earlier dates, so they might just beat me to itus2yow said:
.Who knows, maybe they'll say they'll start implementing 5(1)(c) next year
. Or in 5 years. Or even better, never .You know back in February there was a CTV News article when the bill was first presented where the reporter ended - I distinctly recall - by saying.....".........the government expects this to pass by the end of the year...." ( I am guessing as in becoming law).
Then maybe March or April..in some other article The Minister is quoted as saying again something on the lines of by the end of year or so...
Then maybe March or April..in some other article The Minister is quoted as saying again something on the lines of by the end of year or so...
Because I'm not an expert in this field and honestly don't know about the Parliament and other houses, I followed this discussion as a reader since beginning and read almost all posts so far. This is getting really scary now and makes most of our lives very stressful. The governments of this country are welcome to set up new rule through the its process or manipulate the current law. But if this bill pass which most likely will, many of us will be in effect of the new law. I remember earlier someone mentioned that it's similar to go to a 8 semester program in a university but when you are in semester 8 and about to graduate, end up studying 2 more semesters because of the new law. couple of us hoping the bill does not pass at least before summer break so we have until mid September to apply for citizenship under current law. Let's just hope it won't pass before summer break.
Oh I am aware it will PASS before the end of the year, but I am allowed to have some hope that perhaps coming into force of Section 5(1)(c) will be delayedus2yow said:
. They have to prepare, train their staff, reprogram software, give everyone time to get used to it, blah blah. You know they are kind that way .How about yourself, when can you submit yours?
Jinny Sims, NDP speaking now.... on the scary implications of dual citizenship and revocation possibilities. I don't get it even White Canadians and those born here are fed up !
This is too big and embarrassing for the country if it passed as is....there is bound to be challenges in the Supreme Court ! No doubt about that.... I am shocked that the Minister called the Lawyers who prepared those well researched briefs all sorts of names.... really scary that you have to be Jekyll and Hyde just to be an ambitious Minister to toe the party line and for the false feeling of superiority as a high and mighty Minister...and this was someone from a progressive background working overseas as a Diplomat with the UN and Foreign Service...
This is too big and embarrassing for the country if it passed as is....there is bound to be challenges in the Supreme Court ! No doubt about that.... I am shocked that the Minister called the Lawyers who prepared those well researched briefs all sorts of names.... really scary that you have to be Jekyll and Hyde just to be an ambitious Minister to toe the party line and for the false feeling of superiority as a high and mighty Minister...and this was someone from a progressive background working overseas as a Diplomat with the UN and Foreign Service...
I dont understand why everybody talking like the third reading will be the same or next day to second reading. If the bill passes its final stages there should be some time before it is implemented, like someone mentioned, uncless CIC couldnt wait for it to be passed and decided they wanna be ahead of the game so they already have their systems ready
CanV,
That would looks SOOOOOOOOO bad ! Its like saying they couldn't get their act together ALL THIS WHILE to process people on time ...
but they worked on weekends to come up with the system so its ready for the very next day after enactment...
Bureaucracy mon ami ! Things take time when all is said and done...
Besides, common-sensically, Would you invest in changing things BEFORE you have all the authorization and green signals to make those changes ??? (since changes equals systems and manpower..which means contracts and $$$$ to spend).
That would looks SOOOOOOOOO bad ! Its like saying they couldn't get their act together ALL THIS WHILE to process people on time ...
but they worked on weekends to come up with the system so its ready for the very next day after enactment...
Bureaucracy mon ami ! Things take time when all is said and done...
Besides, common-sensically, Would you invest in changing things BEFORE you have all the authorization and green signals to make those changes ??? (since changes equals systems and manpower..which means contracts and $$$$ to spend).
From the hearing this afternoon, the minister is insistant on getting this bill to a vote by tomorrow evening. All discussions, except for the PM and the official opposition leader, are timed and that will ensure they wrap up the third reading which is that HOC members' reading by tomorrow. Just like C-10 that passed yesterday, the conservatives will call for a late evening vote tomorrow and pass this bill. Sorry to say that, but thats how it looks like. I pray it doesnt proceed, but as of now it is only a wishful thinking!
PS: I saw a handful of NDP members fighting this bill right now as we speak. But from liberal party I only saw the MP from winnipeg, Mr. lemeroux, raising concerns. That is very disappointing. I hope I am wrong.
PS: I saw a handful of NDP members fighting this bill right now as we speak. But from liberal party I only saw the MP from winnipeg, Mr. lemeroux, raising concerns. That is very disappointing. I hope I am wrong.
Wow ! GREAT !!!
this is close to 25 K ! And all these Canadians complaining, fretting, and fuming expressing their utter displeasure !
https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/hon-chris-alexander-pc-mp-canadian-government-stop-bill-c-24-don-t-turn-millions-of-us-into-second-class-canadian-citizens
this is close to 25 K ! And all these Canadians complaining, fretting, and fuming expressing their utter displeasure !
https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/hon-chris-alexander-pc-mp-canadian-government-stop-bill-c-24-don-t-turn-millions-of-us-into-second-class-canadian-citizens
Hi all,
As per the previous post I had read it regarding reside in Canada
"April 28 Committee Meeting update (description in personal words):
* Big push on Declaration of Intent to Reside from Quebec NDP. Honourable Minister Chris Alexander says the measure is intended for PR's only not for citizens. Once citizen, you can leave the country and move wherever you want.
So as I understand that means only for the PR not for who want to apply for citizenship and logicically for the new PR not for the current one because if they include the current PR too , how they going to implement that by calling all the current PR to sign on the reside papers ?????
please clarify .
As per the previous post I had read it regarding reside in Canada
"April 28 Committee Meeting update (description in personal words):
* Big push on Declaration of Intent to Reside from Quebec NDP. Honourable Minister Chris Alexander says the measure is intended for PR's only not for citizens. Once citizen, you can leave the country and move wherever you want.
So as I understand that means only for the PR not for who want to apply for citizenship and logicically for the new PR not for the current one because if they include the current PR too , how they going to implement that by calling all the current PR to sign on the reside papers ?????
please clarify .
Alexander is lying and covering it up with his fake ignorance as though he doesnt get our concerns, thats howarch said:Hi all,
As per the previous post I had read it regarding reside in Canada
"April 28 Committee Meeting update (description in personal words):
* Big push on Declaration of Intent to Reside from Quebec NDP. Honourable Minister Chris Alexander says the measure is intended for PR's only not for citizens. Once citizen, you can leave the country and move wherever you want.
So as I understand that means only for the PR not for who want to apply for citizenship and logicically for the new PR not for the current one because if they include the current PR too , how they going to implement that by calling all the current PR to sign on the reside papers ?????
please clarify .