Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[meyakanor]

I don't believe ppl would care a difference of several months.. As long as we can go wherever we want freely after we obtained citizenship and passport. This is the key point.

No one wanna be restricted to stay in one country for the rest of his life just to keep a citizenship.

I agree. I was merely re-stating how the intent-to-reside clause actually reads:

(c.1) intends, if granted citizenship,

(i) to continue to reside in Canada,

(ii) to enter into, or continue in, employment outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or the public service of a province, otherwise than as a locally engaged person, or

(iii) to reside with his or her spouse or common-law partner or parent, who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident and is employed outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or the public service of a province, otherwise than as a locally engaged person;

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bills/412/Government/C-24/C-24_3/C-24_3.PDF

Yes, it is true that you only need to have this intention up until the date of oath, but the intention must be for after the citizenship is granted. You cannot just say that I intend to continue residing until the day of the oath, that's not what the bill (now law) says. How the government will enforce this will be interesting.

If I apply for an American job before the grant of citizenship, will this be considered a violation of the intent-to-reside? Let's say, I become a citizen, then 20 years from now, the government comes to know that I had applied for an American job before between the signing of the application and the date of the oath, would the government now have a case to revoke my citizenship due to misrepresentation of the intent to reside?

I do believe that, if the spirit of the clause is so that citizenship applicants reside in Canada during the application process, then the clause should have just said so. Make it explicit that an applicant must reside in Canada during this time period, and we won't have this conversation.

 

[kumbu.bumbu]

That was just a hyperbole to make a point because no postal service could ever delay applications that long unless there's a fire or other damage...

When I saw your post about sign date that first thing came to my mind was I have 90 days to play with. This hyperbole should not put ideas to someones mind. ;D

 

[marcus66502]

The bill was assented on Jun 19,2014 so it Makes sense to be effective on Jun 19,2015. Bcoz that will be one year exactly.. I don't know who said Jul19,2015 but why should cic wait 13 months,instead of a year to put it into effect?

I said July 19, 2015 because that's what the CIC Call Center agent told me last Friday when I called. It's her word.

Could she have made a mistake and mixed up the month? Maybe. But then there's no "neat-time" logic to the implementation of this. CIC can wait any number of months. Basically they can wait until they feel ready.

Having said that, others have gotten a consistent response of June 19, 2015 so I'm inclined to believe that this will indeed be the date of implementation, (not just because it's exactly one year from the bill's passage; that doesn't have much to do with it).

 

[marcus66502]

No offense to CIC Call centre agents, but sometimes I feel like, we as applicants, know more than they do.

So, at this point it is anyone's guess what "approximately 1 year" means. Surely it can't be June or July 2015, mere months before an election?

I share your feeling, but at the same time, the reason I called the CIC Call Centre last Friday is to elicit information that's not officially published anywhere. If it was in black and white letters on their official website, we wouldn't need to call them, would we?

Maybe the CIC agent doesn't know much beyond what's official but on this question of new residency requirement she actually put me on hold for a few minutes to go ask her supervisor. She didn't have to do that. She could've just said it's not known at this time and that would've been the end of the discussion. I at least appreciate what she did.

Does it make her information so much less valuable that it's not actually published anywhere yet? Who can say? But I, for one, would rather have this information than none at all.

But hey buddy, I'm just reporting what I was told by the CIC Call Centre agent. If you want to assign zero value to it, feel free to. That's your choice. I never claimed that June or July 2015 is etched in stone.

In a way, I feel bad for reporting what I was told by CIC. I was hoping it would quench people's thirst for information but I see it has caused more controversy than done any good.

 

[Munchenxx]

I agree. I was merely re-stating how the intent-to-reside clause actually reads:

Yes, it is true that you only need to have this intention up until the date of oath, but the intention must be for after the citizenship is granted. You cannot just say that I intend to continue residing until the day of the oath, that's not what the bill (now law) says. How the government will enforce this will be interesting.

If I apply for an American job before the grant of citizenship, will this be considered a violation of the intent-to-reside? Let's say, I become a citizen, then 20 years from now, the government comes to know that I had applied for an American job before between the signing of the application and the date of the oath, would the government now have a case to revoke my citizenship due to misrepresentation of the intent to reside?

I do believe that, if the spirit of the clause is so that citizenship applicants reside in Canada during the application process, then the clause should have just said so. Make it explicit that an applicant must reside in Canada during this time period, and we won't have this conversation.

In that case I would suggest you wait till obtain the citizenship and passport b4 leaving for anywhere else, if you really plan to leave. Just my personal suggestion.

 

[on-hold]

I agree. I was merely re-stating how the intent-to-reside clause actually reads:

Yes, it is true that you only need to have this intention up until the date of oath, but the intention must be for after the citizenship is granted. You cannot just say that I intend to continue residing until the day of the oath, that's not what the bill (now law) says. How the government will enforce this will be interesting.

If I apply for an American job before the grant of citizenship, will this be considered a violation of the intent-to-reside? Let's say, I become a citizen, then 20 years from now, the government comes to know that I had applied for an American job before between the signing of the application and the date of the oath, would the government now have a case to revoke my citizenship due to misrepresentation of the intent to reside?

I do believe that, if the spirit of the clause is so that citizenship applicants reside in Canada during the application process, then the clause should have just said so. Make it explicit that an applicant must reside in Canada during this time period, and we won't have this conversation.

These are good points, and 'intent' is a very hard thing to parse. In your example, the American job might be something that you're intending to take for a year, to improve your resume and position for applying for other Canadian jobs, who is to say? Conversely, a person could easily remain in Canada during the period up to citizenship with no intent to reside afterwards. The first person has a chance of being penalized, despite their true intent; the second person has essentially no chance of being penalized (I highly doubt CIC is going to be searching for evidence), despite their falsity. This is one thing that irritates me about the legal phrasing of the 'intent' -- in practice, it can only mean 'stay in Canada while you wait for your application to be processed'. If that's what they want, they should say so.

 

[glowingheart]

In that case I would suggest you wait till obtain the citizenship and passport b4 leaving for anywhere else, if you really plan to leave. Just my personal suggestion.

The way tat make sense to me is that you intend to reside after granted

what they are trying to eliminate is all of those who become citizens and leave the country alms immediately and only use Canada for the health service and to collect their pension in the later days

there are thousands of cases like this

personally I don't care about intend to reside cause my plan is to be here for life and if I have to resign to my us citizen ship ill be happy to do it once I become a Canadian Ill be a Canadian for life

 

[yuz]

So what if I get the citizenship and I cannot find a job? I "intent" to stay here, but my wallet leads me to somewhere else. Will they revoke my citizenship or they will give me a job

 

[zardoz]

So what if I get the citizenship and I cannot find a job? I "intent" to stay here, but my wallet leads me to somewhere else. Will they revoke my citizenship or they will give me a job

No, to both questions..

This whole "intent" thing has been blown out of all proportion. We've had this in the UK for years and it really isn't a big deal...

 

[june19]

I am very confused about "intent to reside" thing.
I became citizen May 2014, almost one month, I work for an international humanitarian NGO, the head office is in Sweden, but their mission is in Africa, so this "intent to reside" means if I go and work outside Canada, the government can revoke my citizenship?
Can someone please clear that?

Thank you

 

[alphazip]

I am very confused about "intent to reside" thing.
I became citizen May 2014, almost one month, I work for an international humanitarian NGO, the head office is in Sweden, but their mission is in Africa, so this "intent to reside" means if I go and work outside Canada, the government can revoke my citizenship?
Can someone please clear that?

Thank you

If you're already a citizen, you're free to travel or live anywhere. The "intend to reside" provision is part of the law for new (2015) applications for citizenship.

 

[kumbu.bumbu]

Is any intention permanent? Does the law say the intention to live in Canada should never change?

Does the law say you should always live in Canada?
Is it possible to do everything we intend to do? In life we cannot do several things we intended/intend to do. Can any one say we all do what we intend to do?. How can any one prove intention is different from what is done or being done?

As the minister said, the intention of the law to to verify the whether the applicant intend to live in Canada from the date he applied to the date he takes oath.
If the intention of the CIC/CBSA employee is to abuse this intend to live section against a naturalized citizen, it is simply sad.

There are several applicants once they get citizenship they are out of country. For quite a few it is back door entry to USA. This law intend to check them. If the intention of the applicant is to live in Canada then this law does not intend to harm him.

Is the government going to provide residency requirements to naturalized citizens.

Also what will happen if the naturalized citizen never returns. Is there a passport rule that will say to Canadian consulates do not issue passports to naturalized citizens based on intention? How would the passport renewal going to work? Each passport applications for naturalized citizens going to have history of address, employment, education, Children's education history? Is it possible to get RQ for passport applications?

 

[sazamizi]

http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-24/

 

[Munchenxx]

Is any intention permanent? Does the law say the intention to live in Canada should never change?

Does the law say you should always live in Canada?
Is it possible to do everything we intend to do? In life we cannot do several things we intended/intend to do. Can any one say we all do what we intend to do?. How can any one prove intention is different from what is done or being done?

As the minister said, the intention of the law to to verify the whether the applicant intend to live in Canada from the date he applied to the date he takes oath.
If the intention of the CIC/CBSA employee is to abuse this intend to live section against a naturalized citizen, it is simply sad.

There are several applicants once they get citizenship they are out of country. For quite a few it is back door entry to USA. This law intend to check them. If the intention of the applicant is to live in Canada then this law does not intend to harm him.

Is the government going to provide residency requirements to naturalized citizens.

Also what will happen if the naturalized citizen never returns. Is there a passport rule that will say to Canadian consulates do not issue passports to naturalized citizens based on intention? How would the passport renewal going to work? Each passport applications for naturalized citizens going to have history of address, employment, education, Children's education history? Is it possible to get RQ for passport applications?

The best solution is to veto the Conserverants once we obtain citizenship!

 

[Munchenxx]

3000th note on this topic...

Wish all of us can obtain citizenship asap! We can make it!