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Bill C-24: can citizenship now be revoked for working/studying away from Canada?

MUFC

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Once a citizen, the job is done.

The new citizens will be the same like the old ones.

The only people who should be scared from that clause are those who will obtain the citizenship by using fraud.
This clause in practise is placed there to emphasize once again that the presence should by physical here during the 4/6 period and to maintain the residency obligations (183 day per calendar year) when the process is pending until the Oath.

NOTHING SCARY
 

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yr97 said:
Why is this an ill motive ? A citizen of a country doesn't have to live in that country. In fact this is guaranteed by the charter of rights. And if Canadians by birth have the right to do it, so should naturalized ones.
Well, by clicking YES and an applicant is empowering CIC on to administrative steps if CIC thinks the person has lied.. So, charter of rights is there but CIC may say to an individual who will be living abroad permanently..hey.. You said you will reside once Citizenship is Granted but we found you are not so you have lied when you applied.. That will be real issue..

Whatever all people are saying in this forum that Intend clause is up to Oath only.. But the application form explains totally opposites.. So which one to take? Application contents or others? I will go with official stand of CIC unless Intent clause changes to ""You will reside in Canada until your Oath"" instead of wording " You will reside in Canada If Granted" So, here is a big difference in terms of meaning interpretation.
 

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rayman_m said:
Well, by clicking YES and an applicant is empowering CIC on to administrative steps if CIC thinks the person has lied.. So, charter of rights is there but CIC may say to an individual who will be living abroad permanently..hey.. You said you will reside once Citizenship is Granted but we found you are not so you have lied when you applied.. That will be real issue..

Whatever all people are saying in this forum that Intend clause is up to Oath only.. But the application form explains totally opposites.. So which one to take? Application contents or others? I will go with official stand of CIC unless Intent clause changes to ""You will reside in Canada until your Oath"" instead of wording " You will reside in Canada If Granted" So, here is a big difference in terms of meaning interpretation.
The valid text is only one.
It is written in the Law that this clause is effective until the Oath.
 

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MUFC said:
The valid text is only one.
It is written in the Law that this clause is effective until the Oath.
Yes, which is totally conflicting between contents of new law and new application form. I am having hard time to understand why CIC just printed the new application form with different wording under Intend clause.. Could it be their typo mistake or just they changed their mind knowingly to change the who Intent clause (having 2 sub clause)..
 

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rayman_m said:
Yes, which is totally conflicting between contents of new law and new application form. I am having hard time to understand why CIC just printed the new application form with different wording under Intend clause...
It's not conflicting. The intent is "to continue to reside in Canada, if granted citizenship"... But the duration of that intent is between the application date till the oath.
 

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yr97 said:
It's not conflicting. The intent is "to continue to reside in Canada, if granted citizenship"... But the duration of that intent is between the application date till the oath.
Correct
 

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zee2010 said:
can you show me where its is written???
In the Law itself.
Please take few minutes to read the Law and you can find this very important clarification about the Intention to reside.


Intention



(1.1) For the purposes of paragraphs (1)(c.1) and 11(1)(d.1), the person’s intention must be continuous from the date of his or her application until they have taken the oath of citizenship.
 

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zee2010 said:
can you show me where its is written???
The text of the law can be found here: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?doc=C-24&pub=bill&File=30#2
 

zee2010

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MUFC said:
In the Law itself.
Please take few minutes to read the Law and you can find this very important clarification about the Intention to reside.


Intention



(1.1) For the purposes of paragraphs (1)(c.1) and 11(1)(d.1), the person's intention must be continuous from the date of his or her application until they have taken the oath of citizenship.

all i could find is

(c.1) intends, if granted citizenship,
(i) to continue to reside in Canada,
(ii) to enter into, or continue in, employment outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or the public service of a province, otherwise than as a locally engaged person, or


It clearly states that intends, if granted citizenship, i.e. if one has applied for citizenship and one's application is successful and he/she gets the citizenship than that person intends to live in Canada after getting Citizenship. There is no mention of period between applying for citizenship and oath. The exception is if you are working for crown services than your intent is automatic as you are working for the state on-behalf of state. They have given scenarios of working for armed services in the law, furthermore in the citizenship forms the residence outside canada forms have the details. They are assuming that the person applying is working for the crown before applying for citizenship and want to know how long the service is, therefore the intent to live in canada automatically becomes irrelevant as person is under contract from crown living wherever they send him..........my opinion as i understand
 

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Read the law carefully and you will find the clarification I just posted in Bold.
 

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You must declare your intent to reside during the citizenship application process.

To become a citizen, you must indicate your intention to:

live in Canada,
work outside Canada as a Crown servant, or
live abroad with certain family members who are Crown servants.
Once you become a Canadian citizen, you have the right to enter, remain in, or leave Canada, one of the basic rights of citizenship.
(These lines are taken from cic page)
 

zee2010

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ar_fabrics said:
You must declare your intent to reside during the citizenship application process.

To become a citizen, you must indicate your intention to:

live in Canada,
work outside Canada as a Crown servant, or
live abroad with certain family members who are Crown servants.
Once you become a Canadian citizen, you have the right to enter, remain in, or leave Canada, one of the basic rights of citizenship.
(These lines are taken from cic page)
Yep that clarifies things. Last line clarifies all.
 

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Same malarkey, different topic, same call to be sure the deliberate effort to deceive and misinform is not left unchallenged:



A few of those who are reacting to the red herring, unfounded accusation that section 5(1)(c.1) (the oft called "intent" requirement), in the Citizenship Act as revised by the SCCA, are indeed not particularly well informed as to what the now current requirements are, what they mean, or how they may be applied, but have been alarmed by some rather persistent and inflammatory rhetoric regarding this requirement.

To be frank, they are the victim of what is clearly deliberate misinformation. These victims are the only reason I continue to respond to the noise about this, to help (several others are similarly quelling the dissemination of misinformation by reminders that there is no impact on citizens, just those in the process of applying for citizenship, during the process itself) keep the airways clear that there is no reason for genuine citizens who honestly acquired their citizenship to have any fear about making life choices in the future which might involve going abroad to live or work.

To be frank those deliberately promoting misinformation, the unfounded, inaccurate, hyperbolic rhetoric, are mostly of two sorts:

-- the typical trolls, trolling for a reaction, no regard for the actual substance, but feeding off the elevated attention generated by the subject (like most forums, this one has its share of these)

-- those for whom the changes make it more difficult to pursue a passport of convenience, those who in the past would be among applicants-applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport or more recently hoping at least to be among those taking-the-oath-on-the-way-to-the-airport (more than a few participants here are among this group).

As I have otherwise noted, no one is really fooling anybody about what underlies much of the frenzy of hyperbolic criticism: the changes are going to make it far more difficult to take-the-oath-on-the-way-to-the-airport, and they will all but preclude being a successful applicant who has applied-on-the-way-to-the-airport. At the least, getting there will take longer, require more effort, and probably cost more. (How dare they? one can hear those deprived of easy fraud whine.)

Their noise is just that, noise.

Unfortunately, more than a year ago the Canadian Bar Association, and some other observers, contributed to the misinformation by prematurely submitting misguided comments without actually analyzing so much as the actual language of the, at that time merely proposed, provisions. All that has long been dismissed, and those misguided comments are of no import to sincere and rational observers.

But those whose agenda it is to perpetuate the dissemination of misinformation have seized such comments and continue to leverage them into a façade of legitimacy, a pretense of reason. Feeding wildlife is rarely a good idea, and feeding the trolls is a particularly bad idea. No need to be Norwegian to grasp this.

In any event, the main point to be made contrary to the persistent effort to misinform, is that those who have legitimately acquired citizenship have no reason to fear the government taking away their citizenship, even if later in life they decide to live or work abroad.
 

crimesinister

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dpenabill said:
have no reason to fear the government taking away their citizenship, even if later in life they decide to live or work abroad.
The courts will soon decide weather the "intent to reside" clause is compatible with the Charter. Then we will know for sure.