BIG CONFUSION..SHOULD WE WITHDRAW OUR CASE OR TAKE THE CHANCE.?!

[aaycee]

This is what you wrote in your enquiry and based on that I replied you. Some people only want to hear what pleases them, they want to hear what favours them. At the end of the day, it is your decision to make but that does not mean I would not say what I know is right. Come to think of it, why would you claim you have an uncle in canada when he is actually in india? Put yourself in the IO shoes. How would you feel? Ok, so you would say 'yes, give him 5points because his uncle is actually living in canada' Then you must be dreaming. Visa expert is telling you not to worry, maybe he is the IO that is dealing with your case. If you want, send a Personal Message to Leon Qorax or PMM and they would tell you the fact, you cannot claim points from your relative that is not currently living in canada. It is as simple as ABC.

Not to worry Mr.Dubey, lets wait n watch..

 

[qorax]

hi frenz
i am in DO OR DIE SITUATION..PLZ HELLPPP.!!!!!!

lemme explain my whole case......

wen v filed r case back in jan, v claimed 70 points..
edu-20
exp-15
age-10
spouse-4
ielts-16
blood relation-5

bt now as r date of submission to chc delhi is approaching 2 big issues have emerged..

one is regarding experience..
at the time of filing r case, i was having 6 months experience from my past employer and 11 months experience from my present employer with which i am still working..so at that time i added my past employer's experience to get the 15 points for 1yr+ exp.
bt now my past employer has not given me the satisfactory documents required..like my job title is not the same although they agreed at that time..but they have given us the required job duties justifying my NOC4131..their reason also looks quite genuine as they dont use the lecturer title in their college..bt the other problem is that thy didnt agree to show my annual salary/annum as they r paying lesser amount than normal..bt i guess these problems can be sufficed by giving covering letter or affidavit..
even i have got my salary cheques with teir college name,stamp and signatures of chairman.

other thing v got to know from sm agent is that the visa office ppl cnsidr total experince till the date of submission of documents to them(VO)
is that right.?! EXPERTS PLZ COMMENT...........

but right now i consider the other issue as the biggest.!!

i.e. the points for blood relation..

my paternal uncle had gotten PR last year(july)
but unfortunately since then he is in india due to some family prob.
and he'l go back in october..and till now he does not have any credit card.income tax statements or utility bills on his name..
one thing he has is a joint a/c with his son(my cousin) in canada but the credit card invoices used to come on his son's name..
and now my cousin 'l be coming to india after mid of this june for few days..so i talked with him today only regarding this issue that if by some means creditcard invoices can be made on my uncle's(his dad's) name..

Seniors Plz give sm piece of advice regarding this very critical issue if anything can be done..

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]otherwise i am loosing hope and the thoughts of withdrawing my case, have started coming into my mind..
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This is in reply to your PM:

Put in simply, u have 2 situations here:

1. One, u seem to have trouble with proof of job references [for 1 job period].
2. Two, u have problem with Proof of Canadian Relative.

With the foregoing, u also have a 3rd situation... that u would be lacking your qualifying points [67].
Why? Let me clarify:

a) With the situation-1, u actually have no problem. Previous member posts have aptly dealt with that. U can do 'self-declarations', put-up whatever proofs u have & send an 'explanation letter'. It'd suffice.

b) But, with the Adaptability Points... u r in trouble. 'Coz, u cannot claim points against your Canadian Relative, who is no more residing there. That shall reduce your score to 65, as u claimed 70 with him/her. And then u face a certain 'rejection'.

So, in my opinion, unless u have some other means of garnering those 2 points, u r sure to face some serious trouble continuing with your application.

Alternatively, u might withdraw now & re-apply once your relative/s return to Canada. The choice remains with u my friend.

I regret, I couldn't be of much assistance to u...

Good Luck.
Qorax

 

[narinderdl]

u can go ahead because one can apply fresh to cio if got rejected from visa off.
so there is no risk in continuing ur current application.

 

[qorax]

we just didnt know that his presence there was needed at the time of filing the case..actually i still cant believe that this is true.!
it means after getting PR one cant come to his home country..if u have sm link or have seen a case regarding it plz 4wd me..
bt now i wanna ask u smthin..what'l happen if we honestly tell the whole scene to the chc people that he had to come back to india due to demise of his wife and since then he is in india due to some family problem and now he'l be going back in october as his children(my cousins) are settled there in canada(citizens)..along with we'l attach all the documents we have like his PR card, landing papers, bank statement(jt. a/c with his son,my cousin) and may be a photocopy of his tickets going back in october along with some declaration that he'l support us..
i am also thinking about giving his phone no. of here along with his canada's no. so that if they want to verify the authenticity of what we've stated..
we r also looking forward to discuss the case in chandigarh embassy office..may be somebody will guide us.!
kindly comment..
ur help will always be appreciated.

ADAPTATION POINT:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/EG72.asp

E. Relatives in Canada:
• You or your accompanying spouse or common-law partner has a relative, i.e. parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, child of a parent, (sibling), child of a grandparent, (aunt/uncle), or grandchild of a parent, (niece or nephew), who lives in Canada and is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

WHO ARE THE ACCEPTABLE RELATIVES?
Proof of relationship showing u, or your accompanying spouse/common-law partner has a close relative who lives in Canada and is a Canadian Citizen or PR. This close relative can be:
• parent, grandparent,
• child, grandchild,
• brother, sister,
• aunt, uncle, or
• niece, nephew.

PROOF OF RELATIONSHIP IN CANADA:
But, now u must show the 'proof of relative' if u want to survive on this stage. This 'Proof' is required in Three (3) Steps. Here's how u go about it:

1. BASIC EVIDENCE OF RELATIONSHIP:
Proof of relationship to your close relative in Canada can be evident by docs, such as A]birth, B]marriage or C]adoption certificates. For eg, to prove that your relative in Canada is your paternal aunt, it would be necessary to submit copies of birth certificates for her and for your father showing they have at least one common parent.

2. WHAT DOCUMENTS NEEDED AS PROOF?
• If s/he is a PR: provide a copy of Record of Landing (IMM 1000) or COPR or PR Card.
• If s/he is a Citizen: provide Citizenship proof, such as a copy of Canadian passport or Citizenship card.

3. HOW TO PROVE RELATIVE IS 'CURRENTLY INSIDE' CANADA?
Provide evidence to show that your relative is currently residing inside Canada. This may include copies of:
• lease agreements,
• a current Notice of Assessment from Revenue Canada,
• an employer's letter confirming employment,
• monthly bills etc.

Note:
The evidence should show the relative's "name" and "full address" in Canada.

Source:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides...

I hope that helps.
Qorax

 

[aaycee]

ADAPTATION POINT:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/EG72.asp

E. Relatives in Canada:
• You or your accompanying spouse or common-law partner has a relative, i.e. parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, child of a parent, (sibling), child of a grandparent, (aunt/uncle), or grandchild of a parent, (niece or nephew), who lives in Canada and is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

WHO ARE THE ACCEPTABLE RELATIVES?
Proof of relationship showing u, or your accompanying spouse/common-law partner has a close relative who lives in Canada and is a Canadian Citizen or PR. This close relative can be:
• parent, grandparent,
• child, grandchild,
• brother, sister,
• aunt, uncle, or
• niece, nephew.

PROOF OF RELATIONSHIP IN CANADA:
But, now u must show the 'proof of relative' if u want to survive on this stage. This 'Proof' is required in Three (3) Steps. Here's how u go about it:

1. BASIC EVIDENCE OF RELATIONSHIP:
Proof of relationship to your close relative in Canada can be evident by docs, such as A]birth, B]marriage or C]adoption certificates. For eg, to prove that your relative in Canada is your paternal aunt, it would be necessary to submit copies of birth certificates for her and for your father showing they have at least one common parent.

2. WHAT DOCUMENTS NEEDED AS PROOF?
• If s/he is a PR: provide a copy of Record of Landing (IMM 1000) or COPR or PR Card.
• If s/he is a Citizen: provide Citizenship proof, such as a copy of Canadian passport or Citizenship card.

3. HOW TO PROVE RELATIVE IS 'CURRENTLY INSIDE' CANADA?
Provide evidence to show that your relative is currently residing inside Canada. This may include copies of:
• lease agreements,
• a current Notice of Assessment from Revenue Canada,
• an employer's letter confirming employment,
• monthly bills etc.

Note:
The evidence should show the relative's "name" and "full address" in Canada.

Source:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides...

I hope that helps.
Qorax

@ qorax
Sir this is what we are confused abt. for third point 3. HOW TO PROVE RELATIVE IS 'CURRENTLY INSIDE' CANADA?
He is not in canada for last one yr.but has joint.a/c with his son who is in canada. so we are thinking of attaching that bank statement showing his name and address. But when they will verify his presence in canada they will come to know abt that he is in india.this may pose problem for us. S
So BASICALLY MY QUERY IS SHOULD V HONESTLY TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABT HIS PRESENCE IN INDIA ALONG WITH HIS CURRENT PHONE NO.AND CONTACT ADDRESS OR ITS BETTER TO WITHDRAW OUR CASE AND REAPPLY SO THAT BY THE TIME WE WILL HAVE TO
SUBMIT OUR DOCUMENTS TO VO NEWDELHI MY UNCLE WILL BE BACK IN CANADA.
But there would be a big risk of change in occupation list and lecturers are very much prone to be eliminated.
Thanks

 

[qorax]

@ qorax
Sir this is what we are confused abt. for third point 3. HOW TO PROVE RELATIVE IS 'CURRENTLY INSIDE' CANADA?
He is not in canada for last one yr.but has joint.a/c with his son who is in canada. so we are thinking of attaching that bank statement showing his name and address. But when they will verify his presence in canada they will come to know abt that he is in india.this may pose problem for us. S
So BASICALLY MY QUERY IS SHOULD V HONESTLY TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABT HIS PRESENCE IN INDIA ALONG WITH HIS CURRENT PHONE NO.AND CONTACT ADDRESS OR ITS BETTER TO WITHDRAW OUR CASE AND REAPPLY SO THAT BY THE TIME WE WILL HAVE TO
SUBMIT OUR DOCUMENTS TO VO NEWDELHI MY UNCLE WILL BE BACK IN CANADA.
But there would be a big risk of change in occupation list and lecturers are very much prone to be eliminated.
Thanks

Your b/ground checks & verifications will start after 2-3 months from the 2nd stage docs submission. So, if u r submitting the 120 days docs in Jun 2010, rest assured that it'll commence in Aug-Sep 2010.

Thus, if u r sure your relative is going back in that time or close to it, u may continue with the apps. However, remember that u'll yet have to provide the above docs [mentioned in point-3] to the CHC.

Qorax

 

[vamsi001]

Dear aaycee,
If I were u, I would wait for the uncle to return back to canada. Someone close to me was rejected due to this matter that looks simple. Actually, the guy is my friend, his uncle has been living in canada for a long time but decided to visit india for about 3months. Unfortunately, that was when my friend applied and CHC refused the application because this uncle was not 'currently living in canada' at the time of application. The guy appealed and that time the uncle was back in canada. The appeal was refused again but he was advised to re-apply if he still wants to immigrate to canada. He just re-applied so he has to wait again. Pls don't take a risk, this is my 2cent worth for you aaycee and I wish you all the best.

 

[aaycee]

Dear aaycee,
If I were u, I would wait for the uncle to return back to canada. Someone close to me was rejected due to this matter that looks simple. Actually, the guy is my friend, his uncle has been living in canada for a long time but decided to visit india for about 3months. Unfortunately, that was when my friend applied and CHC refused the application because this uncle was not 'currently living in canada' at the time of application. The guy appealed and that time the uncle was back in canada. The appeal was refused again but he was advised to re-apply if he still wants to immigrate to canada. He just re-applied so he has to wait again. Pls don't take a risk, this is my 2cent worth for you aaycee and I wish you all the best.

which visa office ur fren applied for?????
actually without claiming for uncle i was short of two points.but now i have come to kno that my experience other than 38 NOC list but in type O,A,B would be considered.This way I score 2 more points. So, I believe that i would not require points for uncle now.

 

[visaexpert]

which visa office ur fren applied for?????
actually without claiming for uncle i was short of two points.but now i have come to kno that my experience other than 38 NOC list but in type O,A,B would be considered.This way I score 2 more points. So, I believe that i would not require points for uncle now.

Great...

But provide documents whatever you can, for Relative in Canada to get more 5 points

Good Luck.....

 

[dubey]

visaexpert,
can u please shut up if you don't know what to say instead of misguiding and misinforming people here.
his uncle is not in canada right now, the uncle is in india and u are saying 'Great, he should provide documents
for relative in canada'. Are u just writing posts here for the fun of it or what do u stand to gain from misinforming
people? aycee, if u lack 2points, your visa will certainly be rejected unless u score 67points. As you have been
advised by qorax and other members, wait till your uncle returns to canada or risk rejection. Your choice.

 

[visaexpert]

visaexpert,
can u please shut up if you don't know what to say instead of misguiding and misinforming people here.
his uncle is not in canada right now, the uncle is in india and u are saying 'Great, he should provide documents
for relative in canada'. Are u just writing posts here for the fun of it or what do u stand to gain from misinforming
people? aycee, if u lack 2points, your visa will certainly be rejected unless u score 67points. As you have been
advised by qorax and other members, wait till your uncle returns to canada or risk rejection. Your choice.

1. Please read previous thread 10 times before replying because you are fighting here more rather than helping.

2. As per thread written by candidate, He has already scored 67 because of his number of work experience increase 1 more year to add 2 more points.

3. There is no need to provide documents of Relative in Canada since he has score 67 to pass minimum score level.

4. It is good if he provide documents for Relative whatever he can, not to get 5 points but to make his file more strong.

 

[aaycee]

Dear aaycee,
If I were u, I would wait for the uncle to return back to canada. Someone close to me was rejected due to this matter that looks simple. Actually, the guy is my friend, his uncle has been living in canada for a long time but decided to visit india for about 3months. Unfortunately, that was when my friend applied and CHC refused the application because this uncle was not 'currently living in canada' at the time of application. The guy appealed and that time the uncle was back in canada. The appeal was refused again but he was advised to re-apply if he still wants to immigrate to canada. He just re-applied so he has to wait again. Pls don't take a risk, this is my 2cent worth for you aaycee and I wish you all the best.

hi vamsi..
i cant wait for him to return as my last date of submission of documents is 15july and uncle will not go back by then..he may go after oct.
So,i think its btr to go with ur advice and withdraw this case and reapply.
But in that too i have a problem..
In application to CIO, in the Background declaration form i have not mentioned a 2 months exp. of mine and wrote unemployed in that duration..bcoz i was not in hope of getting the exp. but now i want to exclude the uncle's points and include that exp. to score 67 pts ..so i wonder how to express my reason of withdrawal as well as adding that exp. in new application.?!!

 

[visaexpert]

hi vamsi..
i cant wait for him to return as my last date of submission of documents is 15july and uncle will not go back by then..he may go after oct.
So,i think its btr to go with ur advice and withdraw this case and reapply.
But in that too i have a problem..
In application to CIO, in the Background declaration form i have not mentioned a 2 months exp. of mine and wrote unemployed in that duration..bcoz i was not in hope of getting the exp. but now i want to exclude the uncle's points and include that exp. to score 67 pts ..so i wonder how to express my reason of withdrawal as well as adding that exp. in new application.?!!

1. You work experience points will counts according to assessment date.

2. Assessment will start after sending full documents.

3. When you start your job? Can you write the exact date here when you start the work?